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Team: 2019-20 Anaheim Ducks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 21, 2019
Published: Jun. 21, 2019
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Leafs Fan living in Anaheim. Taking advantage of Cap Space and positive trade relationship with Toronto. Kesler out for the season on LTIR.
Free Agent Signings
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5$6,000,000
Trades
ANA
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
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Anaheim have shown that they're willing to trade d-man like Montour. Manson gets traded for Marleau to take on a big contract, Zaitsev as a weaker d-man but longer term, and a 2nd round pick sweetener.
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh
Additional Details:
Leafs get Manson who immediately is an upgrade from Zaitsev, offloads cap space to sign their trifecta, and gives up a pick in order to sweeten the pot for the Ducks.
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,000,000$63,626,258$0$2,315,000$18,373,742
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$1,498,925$1,498,925
LW
UFA - 2
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 5
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$1,541,000$1,541,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,463,139$2,463,139
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,456,250$1,456,250
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$820,000$820,000 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LW
RFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,602,778$2,602,778
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
UFA - 8
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,125,000$1,125,000 (Performance Bonus$1,200,000$1M)
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,133,333$1,133,333
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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One of the worst trades ever, 2 cap dumps for a fantastic D
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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Leafs would have to give just a 1st for Manson without adding the 2 dead-weight deals. TOR needs to add a lot
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
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Yes please from Leafs Nation ?
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.
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For someone living in anaheim, you should know Eaves isn't playing anymore either. If you want Marleau traded, Kapanen will also be added to the trade. This isn't helping anaheim with the rebuild at all either.
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
One of the worst trades ever, 2 cap dumps for a fantastic D


Quoting: cap2018champs
Leafs would have to give just a 1st for Manson without adding the 2 dead-weight deals. TOR needs to add a lot


I agree that this isn't the kind of offer that would get Manson, but to say that Manson is a "fantastic d-man" or that Toronto needs to "add a lot more than a 1st round pick" are both completely false.
Manson's a slightly above average 2nd pairing d-man which is far from fantastic.
& with how strong of a draft that 2020 is expected to be, a 1st in that draft might be more valuable alone than Manson.

But yet again, a player falls into the "right handed d-man that Toronto is interested in" and therefore is frequently highly overrated. Another classic example.
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
I agree that this isn't the kind of offer that would get Manson, but to say that Manson is a "fantastic d-man" or that Toronto needs to "add a lot more than a 1st round pick" are both completely false.
Manson's a slightly above average 2nd pairing d-man which is far from fantastic.
& with how strong of a draft that 2020 is expected to be, a 1st in that draft might be more valuable alone than Manson.

But yet again, a player falls into the "right handed d-man that Toronto is interested in" and therefore is frequently highly overrated. Another classic example.


Toronto would have to add a lot in this trade example. Not straight up for Manson without Zaitzev or marleau. Manson for an average 1st would be fair, but not for a later 20s pick
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:27 p.m.
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Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: cap2018champs
Toronto would have to add a lot in this trade example. Not straight up for Manson without Zaitzev or marleau. Manson for an average 1st would be fair, but not for a later 20s pick


Did you not read anything that I posted? .. just cause it's a late 1st doesn't mean as much when it's a very strong draft. The 2020 draft will be very similar to the 2015 draft. Top line potential players and current top line players even went in the 2nd round of that draft.. a late 1st round pick in 2020 had substantial value actually. & there's also no guarantees that it's a later pick right now. Depends how Toronto does next season.
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: awatt
For someone living in anaheim, you should know Eaves isn't playing anymore either. If you want Marleau traded, Kapanen will also be added to the trade. This isn't helping anaheim with the rebuild at all
either.


Forgot about eaves... ltir I believe. Could make a Marleau swap for eaves
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
I agree that this isn't the kind of offer that would get Manson, but to say that Manson is a "fantastic d-man" or that Toronto needs to "add a lot more than a 1st round pick" are both completely false.
Manson's a slightly above average 2nd pairing d-man which is far from fantastic.
& with how strong of a draft that 2020 is expected to be, a 1st in that draft might be more valuable alone than Manson.

But yet again, a player falls into the "right handed d-man that Toronto is interested in" and therefore is frequently highly overrated. Another classic example.


Dude nobody wants both of those players or their crap contracts, so if you want someone to take them, you have to give a sweetener. 2nd josh Manson is valuable, so you have to add something for that as well. Manson moves the puck and is a very hard hitting D to play against, I am an Oiler fan and I see him a lot. I always wished he was an Oiler
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Did you not read anything that I posted? .. just cause it's a late 1st doesn't mean as much when it's a very strong draft. The 2020 draft will be very similar to the 2015 draft. Top line potential players and current top line players even went in the 2nd round of that draft.. a late 1st round pick in 2020 had substantial value actually. & there's also no guarantees that it's a later pick right now. Depends how Toronto does next season.


I wasn't diving into draft positioning for next year lol. Just think TOR should be going for it, and Anaheim is obviously stockpiling picks.
Jun. 21, 2019 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
One of the worst trades ever, 2 cap dumps for a fantastic D


Exactly!

Quoting: awatt
For someone living in anaheim, you should know Eaves isn't playing anymore either. If you want Marleau traded, Kapanen will also be added to the trade. This isn't helping anaheim with the rebuild at all either.


Even adding Kapanen wouldn't be enough. We'd be losing our only RD to add a RW. We're stacked on the RW. It's just a terrible trade all-around and doesn't take into consideration our needs.

Quoting: Ryminister_27
I agree that this isn't the kind of offer that would get Manson, but to say that Manson is a "fantastic d-man" or that Toronto needs to "add a lot more than a 1st round pick" are both completely false.
Manson's a slightly above average 2nd pairing d-man which is far from fantastic.
& with how strong of a draft that 2020 is expected to be, a 1st in that draft might be more valuable alone than Manson.

But yet again, a player falls into the "right handed d-man that Toronto is interested in" and therefore is frequently highly overrated. Another classic example.


I agree with your assessment of Manson. I think he tends to get overrated because of "advanced stats". At his best, he's a gritty, borderline #2 willing to make hits and fight if called upon. However, more often than not, he's an inconsistent 2nd pairing D-man. He'll still make those hits and fight if necessary, but he's prone to mistakes.

However, I think what makes Manson so attractive is that he's a RD with a rare skillset (size, willing to fight and hit, mobility) and on a beauty of a contract. Not many teams have a player that does what Manson does. He's very valuable asset. I agree he often gets talked about as if he's an out-and-out top pairing D-man. He's not, but he's worth more than 2 cap dumps and late 2nd round pick. Given that he's our only RD, I don't think I'd trade him for anyone realistically available in TOR and I certainly wouldn't move him for a package.

Quoting: Ryminister_27
Did you not read anything that I posted? .. just cause it's a late 1st doesn't mean as much when it's a very strong draft. The 2020 draft will be very similar to the 2015 draft. Top line potential players and current top line players even went in the 2nd round of that draft.. a late 1st round pick in 2020 had substantial value actually. & there's also no guarantees that it's a later pick right now. Depends how Toronto does next season.


The position of a 1st does matter to some degree. Regardless, would you trade your only RD and a player with a skillset that is very hard to replace for 2 cap dumps and 1st round pick next year? Forget the cap dumps, I wouldn't do it for the 1st alone.

The offer is quite frankly ridiculous and doesn't consider our team needs at all.
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Jun. 21, 2019 at 5:22 p.m.
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Quoting: mytduxfan
Exactly!



Even adding Kapanen wouldn't be enough. We'd be losing our only RD to add a RW. We're stacked on the RW. It's just a terrible trade all-around and doesn't take into consideration our needs.



I agree with your assessment of Manson. I think he tends to get overrated because of "advanced stats". At his best, he's a gritty, borderline #2 willing to make hits and fight if called upon. However, more often than not, he's an inconsistent 2nd pairing D-man. He'll still make those hits and fight if necessary, but he's prone to mistakes.

However, I think what makes Manson so attractive is that he's a RD with a rare skillset (size, willing to fight and hit, mobility) and on a beauty of a contract. Not many teams have a player that does what Manson does. He's very valuable asset. I agree he often gets talked about as if he's an out-and-out top pairing D-man. He's not, but he's worth more than 2 cap dumps and late 2nd round pick. Given that he's our only RD, I don't think I'd trade him for anyone realistically available in TOR and I certainly wouldn't move him for a package.



The position of a 1st does matter to some degree. Regardless, would you trade your only RD and a player with a skillset that is very hard to replace for 2 cap dumps and 1st round pick next year? Forget the cap dumps, I wouldn't do it for the 1st alone.

The offer is quite frankly ridiculous and doesn't consider our team needs at all.


To summarize what has been said so far and my contribution:

I do think the deal has potential, specifically if the leafs increase what they are giving to Anaheim for Manson. Manson's greatest value (aside from his ability on the ice as a well rounded offensive d-man) is his cap hit and term. Dubas has indicated that he prefers to trade for players that have term on their contracts, so Manson fits the bill there as well as being a RHD.

Now, in terms of add ons, I do think there is very little difference between a 1st round or a 2nd round pick in shallow draft years. If we are talking about a deep draft year (which unless I am mistaken, 2020 will likely not be), then the difference between a 1st and a 2nd becomes more salient.

Perhaps something by way of increasing the deal to make it more "fair" for both parties could entail adding on another 1st or 2nd round pick and/or throwing in someone like Connor Brown.
 
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