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(VAN/TBL) - Mazanec, 2020 conditional 1st round pick, 2019 3rd round pick for Miller

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Jun 22, 2019 at 1:46
#1
Trade confirmed: Tampa Bay Lightning - Vancouver Canucks
Trade Details
Tampa Bay Lightning Acquire:
Tampa Bay Lightning
Marek Mazanec (Signing Rights)
2019 3rd round pick (VAN - #71 - Hugo Alnefelt)
2020 conditional 1st round pick* (VAN - #12)
*Conditions: If the Canucks do not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the 2020 1st round pick will transfer to a 2021 1st round pick instead.
Jun 22, 2019 at 1:47
#2
Caught in an enigma
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Very risky for Canucks but they needed goal scoring and could work out long term.
Jun 22, 2019 at 1:47
#3
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Quoting: CapFriendly


Oof a first, that sucks.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 1:48
#4
AwesomeMatthews
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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
Very risky for Canucks but they needed goal scoring and could work out long term.


Canucks aren't making the playoffs without better wingers so this is a must do, being the Lightning they will turn mazanek into a vezina finalist
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Jun 22, 2019 at 1:49
#5
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The first hurts for sure, but Mazanec ditched to go to the Czech league, so I doubt he signs. So a conditional first and definite 3rd for JT Miller sounds a bit less bad.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 1:51
#6
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Don’t see why canucks give their first here but at least they get a pretty good player back, looking your way Dubas
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Jun 22, 2019 at 1:53
#7
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I loved him when he played for New York. That’s a magical return considering they basically paid Namestnikov and a low second to get him.
Jun 22, 2019 at 1:57
#8
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I actually like this deal for both sides.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 2:13
#9
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Mazanec was a throw in. He's an AHL goalie at best. but that 1st rounder OUCH! Miller isnt cheap either, wouldve preferred they take on the Marleau contract and gain another 1st rather than give one up. Even in 2021 there is no guarantee the Canucks are in the playoffs and that 1st rounder isnt a lottery pick.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 2:17
#10
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Quoting: rollie1967
Mazanec was a throw in. He's an AHL goalie at best. but that 1st rounder OUCH! Miller isnt cheap either, wouldve preferred they take on the Marleau contract and gain another 1st rather than give one up. Even in 2021 there is no guarantee the Canucks are in the playoffs and that 1st rounder isnt a lottery pick.


Tampa needs an ahl goalie and cap space. They get a first round pick aswell? Fantastic.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 2:51
#11
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Quoting: Jeff85
Don’t see why canucks give their first here but at least they get a pretty good player back, looking your way Dubas


JT Miller is 26? Marleau is 40. So I don't see the comparison between this trade and the one Leafs pulled off. Tampa had to let go of a good player to be cap compliant.
Jun 22, 2019 at 3:17
#12
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Wtf Benning you dunce! Why did you give up a first when there is no guarantee that the nucks will make the playoffs in the next 2 seasons. Didn't you learn anything from the Ottawa trade?
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Jun 22, 2019 at 3:20
#13
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Quoting: thelastlongbow
JT Miller is 26? Marleau is 40. So I don't see the comparison between this trade and the one Leafs pulled off. Tampa had to let go of a good player to be cap compliant.


Point I was trying to make was Vancouver also gave up their 2020 first round pick, but Vancouver got a good player back for it, were as Toronto got NOTHING, Vancouver trade is good, Toronto trade horrible
Jun 22, 2019 at 4:12
#14
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Mazanec has signed one year contract in Mountfield Hradec Králové, Czech extraliga. He didn't want to stay in America, he's coming back.
Jun 22, 2019 at 4:17
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Quoting: CapFriendly


So Toronto pays a 2020 1st round pick to manage their cap crunch. Tampa Bay? They *receive* one. Astoundingly good trade by tampa Bay. I didn’t think a 3rd line winger getting paid over $5M would net that, if anything al all.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 4:49
#16
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I like it from both sides. Miller is a type of player that the Canucks need, and they aren't overpaying a UFA to get him now. I honestly expect them to compete for a playoff spot next year, and Miller goes a long way to that. He's a great complement on a Pettersson line, and he's shown that he's incredibly productive with high end players. When he first got traded to Tampa, he was outstanding on a line with Stamkos and Kucherov IIRC.

Tampa needed the cap space, and kudos to them for getting really good value out of money that needed to be moved.
Jun 22, 2019 at 5:14
#17
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Quoting: rebecca
So Toronto pays a 2020 1st round pick to manage their cap crunch. Tampa Bay? They *receive* one. Astoundingly good trade by tampa Bay. I didn’t think a 3rd line winger getting paid over $5M would net that, if anything al all.


Miller is 26 I think were as Marleau is almost 40, however biggest difference is Tampa has a general manager, Toronto has a incompetent dumbass
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Jun 22, 2019 at 6:36
#18
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Quoting: Jeff85
Point I was trying to make was Vancouver also gave up their 2020 first round pick, but Vancouver got a good player back for it, were as Toronto got NOTHING, Vancouver trade is good, Toronto trade horrible


But the Leafs traded Marleau .... not Miller .... the Leafs equivalent to this would be trading someone like Johnsson or Nylander for cap space .... not Marleau.
Jun 22, 2019 at 7:20
#19
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Quoting: Jeff85
Point I was trying to make was Vancouver also gave up their 2020 first round pick, but Vancouver got a good player back for it, were as Toronto got NOTHING, Vancouver trade is good, Toronto trade horrible


for NOTHING? TOR got Kapanen and Johnsson for it. Or about 60% of Marner. So its not nothing. Tor gave up 1st for acquiring Tavares, I mean any 3rd grader in Canadian school system could have told you that last year, that signing Tavares will cost you dearly. You will either lose Marner, or Kapanen or Jonhsson or 1st rounders etc... And yeah, you are not done.
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Jun 22, 2019 at 9:16
#20
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I hated it at first glance but the MNTC is voided with this trade. The term and contract is very, very good. Miller could even be flipped in a few weeks and be worth a lot more than it cost the Canucks.
This trade looks pretty fair for both sides.
Jun 22, 2019 at 9:25
#21
rangersandislesfan
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Risky by Vancouver but with lottery protection then maybe that changes something.
Jun 22, 2019 at 10:10
#22
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Great deal for TBL. Miller under performed w/ the Lightning, in my opinion. Only 13G on a super star team. He did not score at all in the 1st round vs. CBJ. The extra cap space makes this deal a big win for TBL-they now have the cap space to sign Point and are gonna need to free up even more money for Sergachev and Vas next summer.
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Jun 23, 2019 at 5:25
#23
Nazaleaf
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Quoting: Jeff85
Point I was trying to make was Vancouver also gave up their 2020 first round pick, but Vancouver got a good player back for it, were as Toronto got NOTHING, Vancouver trade is good, Toronto trade horrible


Toronto got cap space. It was either giving up a good player (as Tampa did) or give up a 1st. Tampa just swung a good trade by giving up a player they didn't care enough about and got a 1st back. That's a great deal, but the situation for Toronto was way different with Marleau's age, contract and depreciating value. No team was taking the contract without getting something valuable back.
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Jun 23, 2019 at 11:59
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Quoting: thelastlongbow
Toronto got cap space. It was either giving up a good player (as Tampa did) or give up a 1st. Tampa just swung a good trade by giving up a player they didn't care enough about and got a 1st back. That's a great deal, but the situation for Toronto was way different with Marleau's age, contract and depreciating value. No team was taking the contract without getting something valuable back.


Name another trade for a one year cap dump a team gave up a first rounder ? 2020 is gonna be a crazy good draft and this dumbass gave away the first rounder.
This team isn’t winning anything with babs or this idiot Dubas in charge
Jun 25, 2019 at 1:40
#25
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I don't really like that they gave up a 1st for Miller he's only really a 20-25 goal scorer. I get they need a guy to do the dirty work before Podkolzin comes in but this was an overpay. They could have gotten away with giving up a 2nd instead of the 1st and a 4th because Tampa needs the cap space to sign Point this offseason
 
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