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Kessel Holding Pens Hostage 3 Way Idea

Created by: Coleharborcrosby
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 28, 2019
Published: Jun. 28, 2019
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Speculation about way Pens could go after reports from the Athletic.

What I believe is Kessels NTC list:

Washington
Columbus
Philadelphia
Tampa
Vegas
Toronto
Blackhawks
Islanders

One way to circumvent Kessel situation is 3 way trade. Here is an idea for Vegas.

Pens Recieve: Gusev Zucker
Knights Recidves: Kessel Riikola Min 2nd Pit 1st
Minnesota Recieves: Pit 3rd Smith Rights to Gorman

Vegas wins deal as they create cap, get assets and receive Kessel but all teams win because Pens get rid of Kessel and Minny gets rid of Zucker.

Gusev will be best contract in the NHL at 4M IMO.

Might not have to give up first in Ott trade but I would if it was necessary.

Calgary needs secondary scoring with size and goalie and wants to move a Dman.

Cupboards are bare again but Pens are all in next 3 Years so that’s alright. They don’t need to do any deadline shopping with this lineup and have all year to mesh. As long as Sullivan is coach Hornqvist will be on this team. This year would be their last best chance at the cup. They would have a tonne of expiring contracts and would have to resign Murray and McCann and choose a few out of Pageau, Kahun, Schultz, Brodie and Simon to keep but will have some prospects ready to step in at that point so it won’t really matter.

Let’s go Jim let’s do it
Free Agent Signings
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3$4,000,000
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2$800,000
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  2. Rust, Bryan
  3. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
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  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (MIN)
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  1. 2021 3rd round pick (PIT)
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VGK
  1. Kessel, Phil
  2. Riikola, Juuso
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (MIN)
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PIT
MIN
  1. Gorman, Liam [Reserve List]
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23$81,500,000$79,600,400$132,500$2,982,500$1,899,600

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C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
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G
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
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LD
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RD
UFA - 2
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:04 p.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Where are you getting Sid and Geno dont want kessel? You're the one being very ignorant lmao


Athletic reports from Rossi and Yohe. It’s either Kessel or Sullivan and they’re picking Sullivan.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:04 p.m.
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Quoting: ChampEddy
Athletic reports from Rossi and Yohe


Link them then
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:04 p.m.
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Link them then


Do you have an account you have to pay
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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LMAOOO you just lost all your credibility naming Lehkonen even close to kessel


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OMG HE BROUGHT UP KASE TUCH AND EBERLE LMAOOOOOOOO


Multiple “Lmao”s? Check.
Never actually having anything that goes against the claim you’re laughing at? Check.
We’re on CapFriendly? Check.
Both people have pens profile pictures? Check.
Alright, this checks all the boxes.
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.
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You said Lehkonen. Im not even going to waste my time based off that lmao


I mean, Lehkonen had a better CF%, CF rel %, GF%, rel GF%, xG+/-, rel xGF%, pen +/-, iCF/60, ixGF/60, all while having a lower shot % and lower PDO.

Based off those stats Lehkonen was better at both ends of the ice than Kessel this past year (especially defensively).

I don't say this just to get a reaction, there's truth behind it.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.
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Do you have an account you have to pay


No
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:06 p.m.
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Multiple “Lmao”s? Check.
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Alright, this checks all the boxes.
Weaponized autism is engaged.


Irrelevant comment that has nothing to do with you? Check
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:08 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
I know it’s not all about points but kessel has outscored this guy every year of his career. And you can use the BS “BUt hE PlAyS wITh mAlKIn” narrative but even when he played on Toronto with bozak as he centre he was still elite. Sure kessel sucks defensively but that’s not his job. His job is to generate offence and he’s great at it. I’m all for trading kessel but not for the package listed and pens should do better than Zucker. I’d want a young, high ceiling forward back who hasn’t hit his peak yet. Similar to a 2017/18 Guzental


I know Pens/Flyers would never make a deal this big but would a guy like Konecny fit your description?
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:10 p.m.
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I know Pens/Flyers would never make a deal this big but would a guy like Konecny fit your description?


It would never happen but I love konecny.
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:14 p.m.
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The golden knights are desperate. They won’t need that much to convince them to unload cap.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:16 p.m.
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The golden knights are desperate. They won’t need that much to convince them to unload cap.


So are we though and so is minny to get rid of Zucker. They move two great players in the deal. If Pens can get away with less than Obviously that’s great but I would still do it for a first.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:17 p.m.
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So are we though and so is minny to get rid of Zucker. They move two great players in the deal. If Pens can get away with less than Obviously that’s great but I would still do it for a first.


The pens aren’t desperate. Would they like to clear more cap? Sure, do they absolutely need to? No. Vegas absolutely needs to
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:22 p.m.
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I mean, Lehkonen had a better CF%, CF rel %, GF%, rel GF%, xG+/-, rel xGF%, pen +/-, iCF/60, ixGF/60, all while having a lower shot % and lower PDO.

Based off those stats Lehkonen was better at both ends of the ice than Kessel this past year (especially defensively).

I don't say this just to get a reaction, there's truth behind it.


Danault had a better CF%, CF REL%, GF %, xG+/- than malkin. Does that mean he's just as good?
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:28 p.m.
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Danault had a better CF%, CF REL%, GF %, xG+/- than malkin. Does that mean he's just as good?


Well it shows Danault (who had an excellent year) was better defensively compared to Malkin (who had a down year).

Doesn't validate your point of Kessel being as good as you think though
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:30 p.m.
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Well it shows Danault (who had an excellent year) was better defensively compared to Malkin (who had a down year).

Doesn't validate your point of Kessel being as good as you think though


Im not bringing up that to validate kessel. I brought it up and asked if that means Danault is better than Malkin? Because according to you, points do not determine skill
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:31 p.m.
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Danault had a better CF%, CF REL%, GF %, xG+/- than malkin. Does that mean he's just as good?


Its ridiculous rhetoric comparing kessel to lehkonen. Don’t feed into that. Idk why some pens fans are so clueless
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:32 p.m.
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Its ridiculous rhetoric comparing kessel to lehkonen. Don’t fead into that


I dont get why he's bringing up defense lol. Everyone knows kessel doesn't play defense. The pens traded for him to put up points and get goals. And he's one of the better players at his position for scoring points
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:32 p.m.
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I know Pens/Flyers would never make a deal this big but would a guy like Konecny fit your description?


Oh lord I’d be doing backflips if Pens landed Konecny for kessel.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:33 p.m.
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I dont get why he's bringing up defense lol. Everyone knows kessel doesn't play defense. The pens traded for him to put up points and get goals. And he's one of the better players at his position for scoring points


I’m just not reading it anymore haha.
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:33 p.m.
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The pens aren’t desperate. Would they like to clear more cap? Sure, do they absolutely need to? No. Vegas absolutely needs to


Pens are desperate to move Kessel. Athletic reports saying it’s inevitable but they’re in trouble because of Kessels NTC. And pens need to clear cap as well but not as desperate as Vegas for cap reasons for sure.
Jun. 28, 2019 at 10:34 p.m.
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I’m just not reading it anymore haha.


Based off his logic, pens should trade Malkin and Kessel for Lehkonen and Danault
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Jun. 28, 2019 at 11:57 p.m.
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Send Kessel to the Blues
Jun. 29, 2019 at 12:36 a.m.
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Send Kessel to the Blues


If he is on the list then sure
Nov. 18, 2019 at 3:56 p.m.
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Check out his stats, watch highlights and a few KHL/World championship games. The guy is basically Panarin but less of a goal scorer and more of a playmaker. Is going to dominate this league just like he dominated KHL. Especially playing with Malkin.


So far you are way off with that assessment lmao
Nov. 18, 2019 at 3:57 p.m.
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You obviously don’t know anything about Gusev...

I would take Gusev over Kessel straight up. And the 1st next year with this team is probably gonna be #31 honestly.

Kessel is going to be moved or they’re firing Sullivan. One of the two is gonna happen from reports it seems that management, ownership and Sid/Geno are choosing Sullivan.


@mhockey91 remember when this idiot was trying to argue Gusev was going to come into the league and dominate?
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