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Team: 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 2, 2019
Published: Jul. 2, 2019
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We are in deep doo doo. But let's add Stastny for a deuce! And throw our hat toward Point and Werensky
Free Agent Signings
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5$6,500,000
1$850,000
3$700,000
3$700,000
3$1,025,000
3$1,500,000
5$4,225,000
7$8,800,000
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Werenski, Zachary$4,225,000
2020 2nd round pick
Point, Brayden$12,320,000
2021 1st round pick
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick
2024 1st round pick
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  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CBJ)
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Or second round if Vegas retains 25% salary
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  1. Brisebois, Guillaume
  2. Stecher, Troy
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sweeten with extra pick (mid round)
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  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Boucher, Reid [RFA Rights]
  2. Eriksson, Loui
  3. Goldobin, Nikolay
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
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23$81,500,000$78,831,879$0$6,000,000$2,668,121
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
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$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LW
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C, LW
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
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C
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RD
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G
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$4,225,000$4,225,000
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
G
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LD
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LD/RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:32 p.m.
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Does anyone still think Benning has any idea what he's doing?
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Does anyone still think Benning has any idea what he's doing?


I dont thk he does
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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Does anyone still think Benning has any idea what he's doing?


What was wrong with his moves recently.

Yes maybe giving up the first wasn't amazing, but everyone is writing off Myers and Millers as useless players. Both players will make a huge impact next year.
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Isn't it obvious. He is tying the hands of his team with old players so that young talent cannot be developed and then can be moved for nothing to excel elsewhere. The Canucks GRAND PLAN! I am fine with Myers...sort of. But Edler? Jordie Benn? OK so they are nhl worthy- but what about the slue of young defence that we already are "developing". And now a log jam at the forward positions unless some bodies are cleared out. And next year Markstrom becomes a free agent- what will his new salary be? And who will they leave unprotected in the expansion draft Demko or Markstrom? Not my decisions.... At least there are some young nucleus players now for (hopefully) several years (If they can sign Boeser) I have a feeling that The Flock will hold out for more moola.
Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
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What was wrong with his moves recently.

Yes maybe giving up the first wasn't amazing, but everyone is writing off Myers and Millers as useless players. Both players will make a huge impact next year.


The only good thing he's done is hit on Petterson and Boeser, pretty much everything else he's done has been really bad. Eriksson, Beagle, (all the 4th liners he's signed to 3 or more year terms) Myers is a joke of a signing, and Miller is okay but he's a secondary piece and they want him to be a star. Benning is just bumbling around aimlessly. He's rebuilding but not rebuilding and is ready to compete but has so many holes that he's plugging with big money FA's who are overrated.
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:56 p.m.
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The only good thing he's done is hit on Petterson and Boeser, pretty much everything else he's done has been really bad. Eriksson, Beagle, (all the 4th liners he's signed to 3 or more year terms) Myers is a joke of a signing, and Miller is okay but he's a secondary piece and they want him to be a star. Benning is just bumbling around aimlessly. He's rebuilding but not rebuilding and is ready to compete but has so many holes that he's plugging with big money FA's who are overrated.


Yes we can agree that Eriksson and Beagle weren't the best contracts. The one thing I hate is fans who think they know everything and are going to write off people like Myers before they have even played a game. This team has been rebuilding for 3-4 years already. We have young core that is continuing to get better. Adding a 60 point guy and a 6'8 defenceman who can do a bit of everything is going to really benefit us. Petey, Quinn, and Horvat are strong enough to rally the team towards the playoffs and as we saw this playoffs Pure skill isin't everything.
Jul. 2, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.
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Yes we can agree that Eriksson and Beagle weren't the best contracts. The one thing I hate is fans who think they know everything and are going to write off people like Myers before they have even played a game. This team has been rebuilding for 3-4 years already. We have young core that is continuing to get better. Adding a 60 point guy and a 6'8 defenceman who can do a bit of everything is going to really benefit us. Petey, Quinn, and Horvat are strong enough to rally the team towards the playoffs and as we saw this playoffs Pure skill isin't everything.


St Louis winning the cup is going to be a disaster for so many teams.

1) St Louis has been a team that under performed for a long time its not a surprise. They were supposed to be one of the better teams in the west.
2) The whole west was a crap shoot this year. No one was really that strong.
3) Injuries and an off year by the Pens took out two favourites for the cup in the first round leading under dogs to over perform

It was a weird playoffs that saw a team everyone had written off beat a team in a great series. It could have gone either way in the final.

Now why its the worst thing for many GM's, because some dummies will think, all we need to do is get there, so lets do whatever we need to, to become a playoff team and then we can win the cup.

In reality, you need a great team to win the cup and there are only a handful of great teams in the NHL. Vancouver has some pieces but they are jumping the gun, Petterson isn't enough. Compare the Canucks to other top teams and they don't compare well, their defence is old and not great offensively (Hughes not withstanding), their depth is weak and they won't score enough outside of their top 2 lines. They need to draft and develop better and just didn't do that and instead are going to be okay but probably not good enough. Just like Edmonton.
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
St Louis winning the cup is going to be a disaster for so many teams.

1) St Louis has been a team that under performed for a long time its not a surprise. They were supposed to be one of the better teams in the west.
2) The whole west was a crap shoot this year. No one was really that strong.
3) Injuries and an off year by the Pens took out two favourites for the cup in the first round leading under dogs to over perform

It was a weird playoffs that saw a team everyone had written off beat a team in a great series. It could have gone either way in the final.

Now why its the worst thing for many GM's, because some dummies will think, all we need to do is get there, so lets do whatever we need to, to become a playoff team and then we can win the cup.

In reality, you need a great team to win the cup and there are only a handful of great teams in the NHL. Vancouver has some pieces but they are jumping the gun, Petterson isn't enough. Compare the Canucks to other top teams and they don't compare well, their defence is old and not great offensively (Hughes not withstanding), their depth is weak and they won't score enough outside of their top 2 lines. They need to draft and develop better and just didn't do that and instead are going to be okay but probably not good enough. Just like Edmonton.


I don't think they are jumping the gun. I do not think we need to just make the playoffs to win the cup. We were affected with injuries all season and were only 10 points out of the playoffs. If Markstrom can keep playing like he did last year we have a great goalie who can steal games for us. We have a top six that maybe isn't as good as Vegas or Tampa but it can put up points and be viable in the league. In professional sports, you don't just draft and develop for 10 years doing nothing. While the Canucks won't win the cup this year, showing that they can contend and make the playoffs is good for the organization. No one wants to watch a team suck for 10 years in a row. For the next 3-4 youth will keep being injected in this lineup to beef up depth scoring. Players like Virtanen, Gaudette, Madden, Hoglander and Lind can all potentially add scoring in the coming years.

You talk about how you need a great team to win the cup. Canucks have the foundational pieces in Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes and Demko to build around. If you truly want better players to make them a "top team" you need to be able to attract top free agents aswell. If we added say Panarin, Pavelski or Lee would we be a "top team". The point is you can't just rebuild for 10 years and expect your team to instantly become amazing after that. Slowly a team will improve by building around it's core players and that's what this team is doing.
Jul. 2, 2019 at 3:35 p.m.
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I don't think they are jumping the gun. I do not think we need to just make the playoffs to win the cup. We were affected with injuries all season and were only 10 points out of the playoffs. If Markstrom can keep playing like he did last year we have a great goalie who can steal games for us. We have a top six that maybe isn't as good as Vegas or Tampa but it can put up points and be viable in the league. In professional sports, you don't just draft and develop for 10 years doing nothing. While the Canucks won't win the cup this year, showing that they can contend and make the playoffs is good for the organization. No one wants to watch a team suck for 10 years in a row. For the next 3-4 youth will keep being injected in this lineup to beef up depth scoring. Players like Virtanen, Gaudette, Madden, Hoglander and Lind can all potentially add scoring in the coming years.

You talk about how you need a great team to win the cup. Canucks have the foundational pieces in Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes and Demko to build around. If you truly want better players to make them a "top team" you need to be able to attract top free agents aswell. If we added say Panarin, Pavelski or Lee would we be a "top team". The point is you can't just rebuild for 10 years and expect your team to instantly become amazing after that. Slowly a team will improve by building around it's core players and that's what this team is doing.


They have some pieces, but they need way more depth. Horvat should be a 3rd line centre. And all the other guys you mentioned, the bottom 6 players that aren't showing as anything other than bubble players is the problem in vancouvers. You just don't have the depth and you haven't developed well and moves like every FA move Benning has made, is keep the team just good enough to not be bad enough to get the ride base for the team. They just don't have enough elite players.
Jul. 2, 2019 at 4:45 p.m.
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They have some pieces, but they need way more depth. Horvat should be a 3rd line centre. And all the other guys you mentioned, the bottom 6 players that aren't showing as anything other than bubble players is the problem in vancouvers. You just don't have the depth and you haven't developed well and moves like every FA move Benning has made, is keep the team just good enough to not be bad enough to get the ride base for the team. They just don't have enough elite players.


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I don't think they are jumping the gun. I do not think we need to just make the playoffs to win the cup. We were affected with injuries all season and were only 10 points out of the playoffs. If Markstrom can keep playing like he did last year we have a great goalie who can steal games for us. We have a top six that maybe isn't as good as Vegas or Tampa but it can put up points and be viable in the league. In professional sports, you don't just draft and develop for 10 years doing nothing. While the Canucks won't win the cup this year, showing that they can contend and make the playoffs is good for the organization. No one wants to watch a team suck for 10 years in a row. For the next 3-4 youth will keep being injected in this lineup to beef up depth scoring. Players like Virtanen, Gaudette, Madden, Hoglander and Lind can all potentially add scoring in the coming years.

You talk about how you need a great team to win the cup. Canucks have the foundational pieces in Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes and Demko to build around. If you truly want better players to make them a "top team" you need to be able to attract top free agents aswell. If we added say Panarin, Pavelski or Lee would we be a "top team". The point is you can't just rebuild for 10 years and expect your team to instantly become amazing after that. Slowly a team will improve by building around it's core players and that's what this team is doing.




So here's a question: Canucks let "stars" play a few games in there first season after college and end up paying them 6 or 7 million a year earlier. Someone tell me how that makes any business sense?


Now- IF the 'Nucks had spent the last 4/5 years developing all the kids that needed it then we wouldn't have the plethora of third/fourth liners. Same this year with Benn and Edler. Really...we are going to stick with those two instead of giving Hughes, Juolevi, Woo and others a chance...or giving more opportunities to Mr. Fix-It Biega- who is a perfect 4th line winger with his energy. Or sign Schenn who is Myers without steroids.

The future looks good though....2021= Pettersson's big deal (oh and Hughes due to him playing a few games last spring???) and the End of Baertschi, Sutter, Pearson, Edler and Benn. And improvements the next year (2022) with Eriksson, Roussel and Beagle expiring.

So in 3 years- things look good....no worries though Still time to muss that up by signing some old guys for too long. Maybe 4 year deals for Jumbo Joe and Kronwall this summer?

And we should be looking at getting the big man back from Russia too. Adding Tryamkin would improve this team way more than Benn or Edler. Imagine he, Myers and Schenn as three parts to the D. Tough to play against I would think.
Jul. 2, 2019 at 4:46 p.m.
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They have some pieces, but they need way more depth. Horvat should be a 3rd line centre. And all the other guys you mentioned, the bottom 6 players that aren't showing as anything other than bubble players is the problem in vancouvers. You just don't have the depth and you haven't developed well and moves like every FA move Benning has made, is keep the team just good enough to not be bad enough to get the ride base for the team. They just don't have enough elite players.


A 60 point center who took the most faceoffs in the league (many probably in the defensive zone) is not a 3rd line center. He had no good wingers around him and still produced.
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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A 60 point center who took the most faceoffs in the league (many probably in the defensive zone) is not a 3rd line center. He had no good wingers around him and still produced.


He spent a lot of time with Boeser on his wing. And how many of his points where pp? He's a good play but compare Vancouver to TO and where is Horvat when you have really good centres? 3c
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Jul. 2, 2019 at 7:02 p.m.
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He spent a lot of time with Boeser on his wing. And how many of his points where pp? He's a good play but compare Vancouver to TO and where is Horvat when you have really good centres? 3c


Quoting: t4tree
A 60 point center who took the most faceoffs in the league (many probably in the defensive zone) is not a 3rd line center. He had no good wingers around him and still produced.



Quietly rising through the ranks. I believe he is a 1A centre who is taking his role on the team quite well. If he is 3rd line then WOW you have a strong team! His faceoff numbers were excessively high due to injuries IMHO. Beagle was supposed to ease that....Sutter was supposed to ease that....Pettersson is a winger....so that leaves Captain Bo! PErfect for any second line on any team- even the Leafs would love to have him .... although there he may be a 3rd liner I guess LOL.
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Quietly rising through the ranks. I believe he is a 1A centre who is taking his role on the team quite well. If he is 3rd line then WOW you have a strong team! His faceoff numbers were excessively high due to injuries IMHO. Beagle was supposed to ease that....Sutter was supposed to ease that....Pettersson is a winger....so that leaves Captain Bo! PErfect for any second line on any team- even the Leafs would love to have him .... although there he may be a 3rd liner I guess LOL.


He's a very good player for sure a great 2c on a lot of teams and on the really deep teams he's 3c
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Jul. 3, 2019 at 8:15 p.m.
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He's a very good player for sure a great 2c on a lot of teams and on the really deep teams he's 3c


Horvat would be the second line center on the Blues and Boston so idk
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Jul. 3, 2019 at 9:48 p.m.
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Horvat would be the second line center on the Blues and Boston so idk


Sure, but he'd be 3c in TO or Tampa, or Pittsburgh
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