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Team: 2019-20 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 5, 2019
Published: Jul. 5, 2019
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They may match it at 10.5, but it does put them into a very tough position long term. DET will still have over $32mm to play with next season to resign AA, Tony, Hero, Bert, and a goalie.
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5$10,560,000
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Marner, Mitchell$10,560,000
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23$81,500,000$73,325,833$145,000$2,982,500$8,174,167

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Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
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Gotta say Lafreniere would look good in blue
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
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the best way to put toronto in a tough position is to offer sheet him at 1 year 10.5
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
the best way to put toronto in a tough position is to offer sheet him at 1 year 10.5


Leafs match easy
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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Gotta say Lafreniere would look good in blue


Maybe, but with DET's lottery luck, the pick could end up being in the 10 range. At least DET will be able to outscore that defense this year.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Whatitdobaby
Leafs match easy


I'm not sure you're considering the ramifications of that.
1. They're in this same spot next year.
2. If they sign Marner to a 1 year 10.5 million dollar deal, marner can just accept qualifying offers all the way to UFA.

So, the player has all the power. If he signs 1x10.5, the player has the power to turn that into 2x10.5, or 3x10.5, or, 4x10.5 and then he's a UFA.
10.5 for 5 or more years, the leafs match easy. For 1-4 years, it puts them at risking at never having good value for the player, and losing him to UFA as soon as possible.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I'm not sure you're considering the ramifications of that.
1. They're in this same spot next year.
2. If they sign Marner to a 1 year 10.5 million dollar deal, marner can just accept qualifying offers all the way to UFA.

So, the player has all the power. If he signs 1x10.5, the player has the power to turn that into 2x10.5, or 3x10.5, or, 4x10.5 and then he's a UFA.
10.5 for 5 or more years, the leafs match easy. For 1-4 years, it puts them at risking at never having good value for the player, and losing him to UFA as soon as possible.


They’ll be losing him in 4-5 years anyway it’s fine
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I'm not sure you're considering the ramifications of that.
1. They're in this same spot next year.
2. If they sign Marner to a 1 year 10.5 million dollar deal, marner can just accept qualifying offers all the way to UFA.

So, the player has all the power. If he signs 1x10.5, the player has the power to turn that into 2x10.5, or 3x10.5, or, 4x10.5 and then he's a UFA.
10.5 for 5 or more years, the leafs match easy. For 1-4 years, it puts them at risking at never having good value for the player, and losing him to UFA as soon as possible.

Also this deals 5 years
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.
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Also this deals 5 years


cool. I said 1 year.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:38 p.m.
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They’ll be losing him in 4-5 years anyway it’s fine


and that's fine for an ACGM. Guess who doesn't think that way? NHL general managers.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
cool. I said 1 year.


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and that's fine for an ACGM. Guess who doesn't think that way? NHL general managers.


Well dubas thinks that cause he already let Matthews walk in 5 years. This was bound to happen. And you can’t change anything in the offer sheet once signed so idk why you said one year
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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That Larkin contract is looking better and better, especially after this year's FA period.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
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Well dubas thinks that cause he already let Matthews walk in 5 years. This was bound to happen. And you can’t change anything in the offer sheet once signed so idk why you said one year


sighh. Someone said that this puts toronto in a tough spot. So, because I have this ability to think freely, I said, that I think, that ONE year, would put Toronto in a tougher spot.

You're right! Toronto signed Matthews to a 5 year deal. Guess what that deal does! It buys out a year of UFA. a one year deal at 10.5 gives the player the ability to not give the team a single year of UFA. Guess what general managers want to do? Did you guess buy years of UFA? You're right!!
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
sighh. Someone said that this puts toronto in a tough spot. So, because I have this ability to think freely, I said, that I think, that ONE year, would put Toronto in a tougher spot.

You're right! Toronto signed Matthews to a 5 year deal. Guess what that deal does! It buys out a year of UFA. a one year deal at 10.5 gives the player the ability to not give the team a single year of UFA. Guess what general managers want to do? Did you guess buy years of UFA? You're right!!


What’re you talking about? Obviously a one year deal isn’t optional but if he’s offered that at 10.5 leafs match haha they have no control over what he accepts. And your weird obviously you want good players on your team as much as possible but if he’s not willing to sign your contract there’s not much u can do
Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
the best way to put toronto in a tough position is to offer sheet him at 1 year 10.5


I don’t think a one year offer sheet is realistic at all. Yes it might be to Marner’s benefit as he gets a one year payday and then another chance at a long term deal if he wants. And yes, it would put the Leafs in a tough spot. But if you were another team, why on earth would you give up two 1sts, a 2nd and 3rd and risk having any other team doing the same thing to you after ONE year of Marner.
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Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Whatitdobaby
What’re you talking about? Obviously a one year deal isn’t optional but if he’s offered that at 10.5 leafs match haha they have no control over what he accepts. And your weird obviously you want good players on your team as much as possible but if he’s not willing to sign your contract there’s not much u can do


Okay there is one basic principle that you’re not understand and that’s the qualifying offer. In order for a team to maintain a players restricted free agent rights, they have to give him a qualifying offer. For these purposes, it’s whatever the player got last year. So, if Marner gets one year at 10.5 million, he can just accept qualifying offers to get to ufa.

We all of course agree that 10.5x4 is ridiculous, and that the leafs would never offer such a contract. Marner could get that if he wanted to through a 1x10.5 deal.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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I don’t think a one year offer sheet is realistic at all. Yes it might be to Marner’s benefit as he gets a one year payday and then another chance at a long term deal if he wants. And yes, it would put the Leafs in a tough spot. But if you were another team, why on earth would you give up two 1sts, a 2nd and 3rd and risk having any other team doing the same thing to you after ONE year of Marner.


Give him a long term offer in January when he’s eligible to sign, and if he wants to go the qualifying offer route, trade him.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Okay there is one basic principle that you’re not understand and that’s the qualifying offer. In order for a team to maintain a players restricted free agent rights, they have to give him a qualifying offer. For these purposes, it’s whatever the player got last year. So, if Marner gets one year at 10.5 million, he can just accept qualifying offers to get to ufa.

We all of course agree that 10.5x4 is ridiculous, and that the leafs would never offer such a contract. Marner could get that if he wanted to through a 1x10.5 deal.


Exactly but there’s not much the leafs can do if he kept signing them
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:21 p.m.
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Exactly but there’s not much the leafs can do if he kept signing them


Holy crap. That’s why a one year 10.5 million dollar deal puts them in tough spot. That’s the whole point!!!
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:23 p.m.
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Holy crap. That’s why a one year 10.5 million dollar deal puts them in tough spot. That’s the whole point!!!


I’m not saying it won’t but there’s no rumours of it so it’s literally pointless
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:29 p.m.
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I’m not saying it won’t but there’s no rumours of it so it’s literally pointless


Dude can you read the first sentence or the description? Then read my first post. Figure it out
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.
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Dude can you read the first sentence or the description? Then read my first post. Figure it out


I understand but no team will do that cause the exact same thing will happen to them if they don’t match so it’s irrelevant
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
sighh. Someone said that this puts toronto in a tough spot. So, because I have this ability to think freely, I said, that I think, that ONE year, would put Toronto in a tougher spot.

You're right! Toronto signed Matthews to a 5 year deal. Guess what that deal does! It buys out a year of UFA. a one year deal at 10.5 gives the player the ability to not give the team a single year of UFA. Guess what general managers want to do? Did you guess buy years of UFA? You're right!!


I agree with this concept...but the the 4yr offer sheet is the one that's the least desirable from Leaf management point of view. If he signs an offer sheet for 1 @ $10.5, I think the leafs match that and use the extra time to work on a long term deal.

Anything over $11m AAV I think they consider not matching and taking 4 firsts
Anything less than $10.57 they match, regardless of term

But it's the 4 year contract offer that would make them the most uncomfortable, IMO...and from what I've heard, that's what his agent has been potentially angling for.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:38 p.m.
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I understand but no team will do that cause the exact same thing will happen to them if they don’t match so it’s irrelevant


Not necessarily. It can be a way for Marner to get his long term deal at 11.5 without his new team giving up four first rounders if they discuss it before hand.
Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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I agree with this concept...but the the 4yr offer sheet is the one that's the least desirable from Leaf management point of view. If he signs an offer sheet for 1 @ $10.5, I think the leafs match that and use the extra time to work on a long term deal.

Anything over $11m AAV I think they consider not matching and taking 4 firsts
Anything less than $10.57 they match, regardless of term

But it's the 4 year contract offer that would make them the most uncomfortable, IMO...and from what I've heard, that's what his agent has been potentially angling for.


Of course, but I don’t think it makes any sense for the signing team.
Here’s how I would pitch it.

Here you go Mitch, 1x10.5. If Toronto matches, it gives you huge negotiating power for your next deal. If they don’t, you play for one year at 10.5, and then when you’re eligible to re-sign well give you your long term deal. If you don’t sign well trade you before next July 1st.
 
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