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Good luck marner

Created by: PuckPal
Initial Creation Date: Jul 5, 2019
Published: Jul 6, 2019 at 8:09
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
So it's rumoured that a team has offersheeted marner at round 12.5. If this is true i wish marner all the best in the future. He is a talanted winger but he stats we inflated by being on Tavares line seeing every other player who has played with tavares has put up 10-20% more pts when playing with him. This is why the leafs are only round 9.5-10 a season. So take the picks Dubas sign Ferland and maybe another sound top 6 forward or solid top 6 dman and use the picks to upgrade at deadline.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ferland, Micheal4$4,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
  2. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
  3. 2022 1st round pick (BUF)
2023 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Marner, Mitchell [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,716,366$0$0$2,783,634
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
Ferland, Micheal
$4,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Harpur, Ben
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jul 6, 2019 at 8:35
#1
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Zero chance Buffalo does this. Those are all lottery picks and one player, no matter how good, doesn't fix their problems.
Jul 6, 2019 at 8:36
#2
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Quoting: cjp2112
Zero chance Buffalo does this. Those are all lottery picks and one player, no matter how good, doesn't fix their problems.


The rumour is it is either MTL, BUF or NYI who would do this i just picked one of them
Jul 6, 2019 at 8:40
#3
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Quoting: PuckPal
The rumour is it is either MTL, BUF or NYI who would do this i just picked one of them


Fair enough. I'd say Buffalo is the distant third on that list but I've been wrong before.
Jul 6, 2019 at 8:45
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:01
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Mannyhannies
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Quoting: palhal
Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.


Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:07
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Giving up two regular NHL regulars (which weakens the team) and hoping for LTIRs to be cap compliant just shows there is cap issues for the Isles long term. Leafs or any team could overpay the Marner by selling of pieces also.
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Jul 6, 2019 at 9:10
#7
Mannyhannies
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Quoting: palhal
Giving up two regular NHL regulars (which weakens the team) and hoping for LTIRs to be cap compliant just shows there is cap issues for the Isles long term. Leafs or any team could overpay the Marner by selling of pieces also.


Leddy and Hickey NEED to be traded. Aho, Wotherspoon and Noah Dobson are NHL ready, and Bode WIlde and MItch Vande Sompel will be next year. These players need to be moved to make way for better, and younger, defensive prospects.
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:10
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Danes1294
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Typical Islander fan lol
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:12
#9
Mannyhannies
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Quoting: Danes1294
Typical Islander fan lol


Typical Leafs fan lol
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:24
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exo2769
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I'm actually really curious why OTT doesnt offer 1 dollar below the 4 1sts. Dubas is trying to make it to the regular season and the drop down Horton...giving him flexibility. Offer sheet him now and then Dubas is FORCED to dump $7M in cap before the season. At this stage of the off season...how many teams can take on a $5M+ cap hit? Not many at all. So Dubas has to go to a few select teams... let's pretend he works something out with NJ...now OTT does the same thing to Tampa. Its ruthless, but it would give OTT more assets.
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:29
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MountRoyal514
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


Matt Martin too, on 2.5 million on the last year of his deal could be moved for cap room as well
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:46
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Quoting: palhal
Even the Isles have a iffy cap issue next season with their expecting RFA signings. Don't know if the Isles would have signed Lee, Nelson and Eberle if they had really wanted to have a successful offer to Marner.


Thats why i honestly think the team in question is banking on the leafs matching the offer. But Dubas is not stupid he can pick up Ferland and Dzingel for less and have one of the best teams in the NHL depth wise and flip the picks at the deadline for a top 4 RHD.
Jul 6, 2019 at 9:52
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Quoting: Mannyhannies
Our cap is not an issue. Nick Leddy can be moved (most likely for a first + prospects) and that clears 5.5 mill. He's been on trade block all summer. Then, Hickey, 2.5 mill AAV, is also on trade block. Isles have an abundance of young defensemen, so we can trade these players. Ladd and maybe Clutterbuck go on LTIR (Ladd is often injured, even if he comes off, chances are he lands back on it).


The problem is LTIR is for players injured at the time not for players overpaid. Also, teams may give you less due to that NYI or whoever does this have messed up the cap for everyother team this is why no Top RFA has signed Marner will be what everyother player will get in relation to production/position.
Jul 6, 2019 at 10:00
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Quoting: PuckPal
The problem is LTIR is for players injured at the time not for players overpaid. Also, teams may give you less due to that NYI or whoever does this have messed up the cap for everyother team this is why no Top RFA has signed Marner will be what everyother player will get in relation to production/position.


Aho and Marner have identical production and probably on ice value for the past two seasons. Aho got 8.45 X 5. That is true comparable but Marner just past by 2m....go figure.
You're right all the other top RFAs at least six are waiting for Marner's contract.
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Jul 6, 2019 at 3:24
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Quoting: exo2769
I'm actually really curious why OTT doesnt offer 1 dollar below the 4 1sts. Dubas is trying to make it to the regular season and the drop down Horton...giving him flexibility. Offer sheet him now and then Dubas is FORCED to dump $7M in cap before the season. At this stage of the off season...how many teams can take on a $5M+ cap hit? Not many at all. So Dubas has to go to a few select teams... let's pretend he works something out with NJ...now OTT does the same thing to Tampa. Its ruthless, but it would give OTT more assets.


Exo2769, that is incorrect about Horton and his LTIR. He doesn't affect the Leafs cap at all next season....It's a known...he's on LTIR. What this fascination about Horton (or Clarkson) that makes folks think it such a deterrent to summer signings? So the Leafs have I believe 9.1m to sign Marner without making other moves. Sign Marner to 11m, then it's about trading Johnsson for futures and replace Johansson with a 1m player.
Jul 7, 2019 at 9:41
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exo2769
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Edited Jul 7, 2019 at 1:39
Quoting: palhal
Exo2769, that is incorrect about Horton and his LTIR. He doesn't affect the Leafs cap at all next season....It's a known...he's on LTIR. What this fascination about Horton (or Clarkson) that makes folks think it such a deterrent to summer signings? So the Leafs have I believe 9.1m to sign Marner without making other moves. Sign Marner to 11m, then it's about trading Johnsson for futures and replace Johansson with a 1m player.


I'll have to dig into LTIR again. Below is Bowman's situation with Hossa. I know there's a huge difference between off season LTIR and in season LTIR. I didn't think there was continuation from one season to another...meaning...TOR still has to be cap compliant on day 1. If Horton is LTIR'd in the off season...which yes is technically possible...then their cap is essentially spoken for...as in...the LTIR will be in affect, but it'll eliminate any gap between where TOR is and the ceiling, thus practically zero trades can happen during the year. If Dubas can hold out until after Day 1...then Horton can be sent to LTIR and there's $5.3M more to play with. I do think that both Tampa and TOR and Vegas for that matter, are thinking about this. They each have LTIR players and each are up against it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/why-placing-marian-hossa-long-term-injured-reserve-wouldnt-help-blackhawks-cap
 
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