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Quoting: SammyT_51

Im sure he is hoping that offersheet is not there. I believe the offersheet from some team to Marner was already presented and rejected. I believe no offersheet to marner happens! As you showed here, it is possible to get them under the roof, but it would be tough! I believe Mitch would sign the second 1st game of the season ends before 2nd game. They can fit it there nicely and it would be under 10. But offersheet treath is real, which means that it would be harder on our cap. But its possible to have it done, which shows amazing job by Dubas to pull clearing out like he did.

Yeah, if there's a pre-arrangement TODAY that there's an agreed upon contract that works for both sides...give Dubas credit for sure. He's helped Marner understand that Winning is more important that the highest offer. however, if this happens in the summer...I'm not so sure Dubas is doing the right thing. It's a VERY tough spot to be in, but being stuck all season is risky. If it works out...worth the risk, if it doesn't TOR fans are going to be livid and blame him for handcuffing the team in the summer. Tough spot. It's fun to talk about.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:26 p.m.

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It doesn't even matter anymore. There's nothing else to think about. Its as simple as
1. A team will have to overpay on an OS to get him
2. If Marner signs the offer sheet he is as good as gone to the eyes of the leaf management, and also will be too overpaid to refuse the 4 1st round picks.
There is nothing to consider anymore. It's 500 degrees out and summer time so let's all just let this idiot agent do whatever he wants and see how it plays out. I'm sure this is how the management is thinking also

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

If it takes that much to sign Marner, they should sign him and trade him to Arizona or so. There are people in sports who are taking less money for being on a championship caliber team. Tom Brady is the best example. I am wondering why they are a championship caliber team in the last 20 years, while a team like the Leafs did not have a competitive team in 30 years. Fancy moves and a high pay check may animate a lot of people to create youtube videos, but it does not bring you a cup

Can't compare Brady. Football deals get made and unmade every single year. Brady gets more guaranteed money by renegotiating his contract. NHL/NBA/MLB contracts are set once you sign...and they're all guaranteed.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Jangle29

It doesn't even matter anymore. There's nothing else to think about. Its as simple as
1. A team will have to overpay on an OS to get him
2. If Marner signs the offer sheet he is as good as gone to the eyes of the leaf management, and also will be too overpaid to refuse the 4 1st round picks.
There is nothing to consider anymore. It's 500 degrees out and summer time so let's all just let this idiot agent do whatever he wants and see how it plays out. I'm sure this is how the management is thinking also

Agreed with the caveat that a team should offer $1 single dollar less that the (4) 1sts. That's the hard part. Marner is CLEARLY better than (2) randon 1sts (1) 2nd and (1) 3rd

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:29 p.m.

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Agreed with the caveat that a team should offer $1 single dollar less that the (4) 1sts. That's the hard part. Marner is CLEARLY better than (2) randon 1sts (1) 2nd and (1) 3rd

Leafs would match so I don't think a team even considers it

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:30 p.m.

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

If it takes that much to sign Marner, they should sign him and trade him to Arizona or so. There are people in sports who are taking less money for being on a championship caliber team. Tom Brady is the best example. I am wondering why they are a championship caliber team in the last 20 years, while a team like the Leafs did not have a competitive team in 30 years. Fancy moves and a high pay check may animate a lot of people to create youtube videos, but it does not bring you a cup

Let's be honest though; it's been 52+ years since the Leafs hoisted a cup and how many years since they were in the finals? What if a team like Colorado were to offer sheet Marner, do you not think he considers that? Colorado, if they play their cards right, may have the best team in the league for the foreseeable.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:31 p.m.

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Honestly this OS talk is still ridiculous. The only reason Aho was looked at was a PR move out of desperation. Lose out on Tavares. Then Duchene. Then Points agents laughs at the idea.
First minute of the areas conference was "I hope the fans see we want to do whatever it takes to get better

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:32 p.m.

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Leafs would match so I don't think a team even considers it

Ok so the leafs match it. Let's think about step 2, 3 and 4. How do you get cap compliant??? You can't just send Horton to LTIR unless you're willing to make zero transactions throughout the year. Is it possible yeah, but the ability to make moves during the season is huge.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:33 p.m.

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Let's be honest though; it's been 52+ years since the Leafs hoisted a cup and how many years since they were in the finals? What if a team like Colorado were to offer sheet Marner, do you not think he considers that? Colorado, if they play their cards right, may have the best team in the league for the foreseeable.

But it won't happen. Even if they were insane enough to do one they would loom at others before Marner I bet. He's not worth the 11-13 mil you would have to give him. Then you are stuck with that and a salary structure that tells other players they can be overpaid

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:34 p.m.

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But it won't happen. Even if they were insane enough to do one they would loom at others before Marner I bet. He's not worth the 11-13 mil you would have to give him. Then you are stuck with that and a salary structure that tells other players they can be overpaid

That ship sailed with Nylander though.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:37 p.m.

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Can't compare Brady. Football deals get made and unmade every single year. Brady gets more guaranteed money by renegotiating his contract. NHL/NBA/MLB contracts are set once you sign...and they're all guaranteed.

I know. But Brady is by far not the best payed player in the league because he cares more about winning than he does about his salary. The principle is the same. Some players care about winning more than they do about money. I have to say it because I hate Boston. But their top players could have gotten much richer. The same can be said for some other teams. Guess who is competitive for many years now?

Many of the most best teams do not have the richest players

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

I know. But Brady is by far not the best payed player in the league because he cares more about winning than he does about his salary. The principle is the same. Some players care about winning more than they do about money. I have to say it because I hate Boston. But their top players could have gotten much richer. The same can be said for some other teams. Guess who is competitive for many years now?

Many of the most best teams do not have the richest players

That's not necessarily true. Sure guys may take a haircut for a year or two but when you're talking about 5+ year contracts that are guaranteed it's a different story. Marner wants to get paid on a short term contract, it's the best move for him to keep his options open as a UFA as soon as possible. That is worth more then an extra $1M a year.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.

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Ok so the leafs match it. Let's think about step 2, 3 and 4. How do you get cap compliant??? You can't just send Horton to LTIR unless you're willing to make zero transactions throughout the year. Is it possible yeah, but the ability to make moves during the season is huge.

Can run a 22 or 21 man roster if they want. Marlies right down the street. Trade Ceci. Once it happens I think they already have it figured out and will act.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Jangle29

But it won't happen. Even if they were insane enough to do one they would loom at others before Marner I bet. He's not worth the 11-13 mil you would have to give him. Then you are stuck with that and a salary structure that tells other players they can be overpaid

Which is the point of this post. As I've been saying for a couple months, $10.56M x 5 years is the magic number. No team is going to give up (4) 1sts plus the money for Marner, but I'm betting there are teams that will do $10.5M x 5 years. Leafs can match and I believe they should but Marner is using that threat as leverage.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.

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Quoting: ChiHawk

Let's be honest though; it's been 52+ years since the Leafs hoisted a cup and how many years since they were in the finals? What if a team like Colorado were to offer sheet Marner, do you not think he considers that? Colorado, if they play their cards right, may have the best team in the league for the foreseeable.

I almost agree with almost everything you say. But there is one question. MacKinnon is making 6.3 and is a much better player than Marner. I think no one would rather have Marner than MacKinnon. If they sign Marner for that much, Rantanen will ask for the same, MacKinnon for much more once his contract is up. Then they have one line with maybe 34m cap. And there goes your mid time future.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Jangle29

Can run a 22 or 21 man roster if they want. Marlies right down the street. Trade Ceci. Once it happens I think they already have it figured out and will act.

Yeah, I 100% agree with this. Trade Ceci can help a lot.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.

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Ok so the leafs match it. Let's think about step 2, 3 and 4. How do you get cap compliant??? You can't just send Horton to LTIR unless you're willing to make zero transactions throughout the year. Is it possible yeah, but the ability to make moves during the season is huge.

I'm under the impression that a team can go 10% over the cap in the offseason without penalty. If that's correct that's a 8.1M cushion the leafs have until Horton goes back to the island and then they still compliant.

Like jangle posted, there's really nothing to worry about. An offer has been tabled by the leafs, the they have x amount of space to pay Mitch, if he doesn't like it he can sign an OS, which the leafs will match upto the 4 firsts threshold (and I really doubt any team goes over that, and if they do, the leafs take the picks and cap space), the leafs absorb upto 10.5M OS hit (which other teams know, so why even do the OS?) or marner can sit. His game of chicken is running out options.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.

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That ship sailed with Nylander though.

If you call being over paid 300k then ok. Because his exact comparables said he was in the 6.6-6.7 range. Nylander is a lot better than non leaf fans who just look at a stat sheet and think they know. Or leaf fans who are cavemen and want players to just check everyone.

Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:47 p.m.

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Which is the point of this post. As I've been saying for a couple months, $10.56M x 5 years is the magic number. No team is going to give up (4) 1sts plus the money for Marner, but I'm betting there are teams that will do $10.5M x 5 years. Leafs can match and I believe they should but Marner is using that threat as leverage.

Can't be 10.5 x5 that's 4 1sts. Would have to be 4 years which every team knows leafs woukd match and they wouldn't consider it. People cam believe it or not but these GMs won't OS unless they 100% know they will get the player to not piss people off

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:47 p.m.

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Which is the point of this post. As I've been saying for a couple months, $10.56M x 5 years is the magic number. No team is going to give up (4) 1sts plus the money for Marner, but I'm betting there are teams that will do $10.5M x 5 years. Leafs can match and I believe they should but Marner is using that threat as leverage.

Bingo. And other teams know that the leafs will match, so it seems like an empty threat. Why would any team pony up an OS at that amount when they know the leafs match it? Everyone saw how MB came out on his OS attempt

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:47 p.m.

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I'm under the impression that a team can go 10% over the cap in the offseason without penalty. If that's correct that's a 8.1M cushion the leafs have until Horton goes back to the island and then they still compliant.

Like jangle posted, there's really nothing to worry about. An offer has been tabled by the leafs, the they have x amount of space to pay Mitch, if he doesn't like it he can sign an OS, which the leafs will match upto the 4 firsts threshold (and I really doubt any team goes over that, and if they do, the leafs take the picks and cap space), the leafs absorb upto 10.5M OS hit (which other teams know, so why even do the OS?) or marner can sit. His game of chicken is running out options.

You're right, but also not considering all the factors. You're right that a team can indeed be 10% over the cap without penalty....until day 1. Every team needs to go a full 24 hours being cap compliant. So AFTER day 1...day 2...Horton can be sent down, but TOR needs to be complaint on the 1st day. There are (2) ways to get compliant. Now go to the link in the description to understand the 2 ways...and the pros cons of doing both.

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Jul. 7, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay

I almost agree with almost everything you say. But there is one question. MacKinnon is making 6.3 and is a much better player than Marner. I think no one would rather have Marner than MacKinnon. If they sign Marner for that much, Rantanen will ask for the same, MacKinnon for much more once his contract is up. Then they have one line with maybe 34m cap. And there goes your mid time future.

Good point but you've got MacKinnon locked up for 4 more years...he's also on one of the best deals in the league.

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