I think thats an overpayment for Shattenkirk. Maybe a 6th could get it done

Fair enough. Just wanted to be reasonable to the NYR.

You can get picks and prospects in return with Shattenkirk for that

Regardless of where Puji ends up... I don’t think he gets 3.0 x 3... I think he gets 1.25 for 1 or 2 on a prove it to me contract...

Shatty has been bad in NY and even worse since his injury. I'd want something coming back with him to take on his full contract. Probably a 1st rounder like Marleau got CAR. NYR still need to re-sign Trouba, Buch, Lemieux, and Deangelo and only have 8M to do it. They're in a pickle and ANA should look to capitalise on it. I don't think Shatty + conditional 1st for a 6th/7th rounder is that unreasonable and could workout really well for ANA were Shatty to bounce back in a reduced role.

Puji has lost too many core development years to warrant that kind of return.

Moving Shore is "meh", but I don't understand the motivation if it is only for a 4th rounder.

@Fel93 Honestly the next two years are gonna be for development and I see Stattenkirk just being a guy we get before getting younger RHD in the upcoming draft while proving some leadership. Btw what can the Rangers even give us without it being unreasonable that is helpful to our future. Not to mention I rather not sign a free agent to the same money with longer term. But, I can definitely see the argument of getting a pick back. @mytduxfan the rangers are not the Leafs or Tampa in a cap crunch looking to win the ship this year no 1st rounder conditional or not thats for sure and I admit I am wrong that we should get more than shatty but more like a 2nd round pick in addition to the third we give that could be a 6th a mistake on my part. Onward I have a bias for JP I kinda of see him filling Kase spot in the future. Yes Kase has shown to be the better player and is completely different when we look at defense and more analytic stats such as Corsi however with all his injuries such as concussions his time is sadly coming to an end as a player I'm willing to commit to long term and I'm cool with giving the guy who was a former top 5 pick a shot with Steel and Comtois who are the future in my opinon and could help develop another player really well. Nevertheless, at anytime Kase is healthy I want him on the first line I don't undervalue him. Now Shore is someone i see us giving up at the trade deadline and he in my opinion does not warrant much as a third rounder. Cogs is lower in trade value trust me. Look at the empty net he missed in the WCF. Plus, why would we sign shore after this year when we have younger talent coming up and could get another player that we could develop. All that being said I think many of you don't understand we are not in the driver seat in terms of trades. We have too many young players who have potential to fill spots and no to mention they don't really hold value to the rest of the NHL. An prime example of this Terry who I would honestly give the same contact JP or Kase but is really overrated in the Ducks fan base at this point especially considering he just got injured and is not a big point contributor. The AHL stats when it comes to goals and assists doesn't translate to the NHL imo. But, yeah why not have Kase, JP and Terry no more than 3 million for a couple of years to really see what they can become. Anyways, I like the discussion thanks for commenting and I will respond to more. Sorry for being all over the place.

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Giving Panarin a massive contract and trading for Trouba would certainly suggest otherwise. Based on the Marleau contract, a 1st round pick is the going rate. Shatty even has an NTC, just like Marleau, so he could make it really awkward for NYR too.



Agree with you on Kase and that we need to be careful because of his injuries, but Kase isn't just a better player than Puji, he's in a different league, literally! I don't know how you can view Puji as a replacement for Kase. That is incredibly optimistic given that Puji isn't even an NHL player at this point.

Puji is 3 years removed from the draft now. Given he's a forward and they tend to progress quickly, he's a borderline bust at this point. He doesn't warrant that kind of return at all. If a team truly believe in him, they might through out a 2nd round pick. However, look at what Yakupov returned for EDM... and he was a former 1st OA pick! Young players, especially forwards, decline in value dramatically if they show limited progression. IMO, Puji doesn't warrant our consideration. We're stacked at W. Even if Kase goes down for the year, we still have Terry, Sprong, Silfverberg as our top 3 RW. Would Puji beat them out of a position? I don't think so. Therefore, giving up Ritchie + Larsson for the privilege of having Puji as a bench warmer/working the AHL, makes no sense and is just downright poor asset management.



Fine, trade Shore at the deadline then for a higher value pick. Not now when we have a history of losing players to injuries for long periods. Who knows what is going to happen. Very short-sighted to trade him now, especially for such a low pick and when we don't exactly need the cap space.

As far as the contract you've given Puji, it's terrible. He's done very little to get such money. You say that Terry is overrated, but he's shown a lot more promise than Puji. AHL numbers may not translate to the NHL, but at least Terry has those numbers. Puji's AHL numbers are awful and his NHL numbers are just as bad. Just to remind you, Terry had more points in less games than Puji this season in the NHL and dominated the AHL while Puji did nothing because of injuries. I don't know how you can think that Puji is worth that kind of contract. Very bad money management that will bite you in the future when Terry is due a raise.

You seem very hung-up on draft position. I would get over that and try to watch the players more. Terry is clearly very talented. He has his flaws, but he's well on his way to becoming a top 6 NHLer. Puji hasn't really improved since his draft year. He was almost NHL ready then, hence I am not surprised he's put up a few points in the NHL. However, potential doesn't mean anything if the player doesn't progress. I'd pass on Puji personally, but it's your Armchair GM.

Yes, good discussion.