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Oilers Side of Lucic to Ottawa Idea

Created by: OldNYIfan
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 11, 2019
Published: Jul. 11, 2019
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This trade was suggested by two others (you know who you are, and so do I), so they get all the credit, but I get all the blame from anyone who wants to criticize it.

Why Ottawa Would Do This: Melnyk pays out exactly the same money (to the dollar), but gets two players for the price of one. (He also gets to defer a total of $4M to the fourth year.) The Senators have the potential of Puljujarvi's upside. The cap hit should be the same (assuming that Puljujarvi is re-signed for $1.25M or less) but is extended for one year, for which Ottawa receive a second-round pick (which will come in handy if they need to deal with Seattle at the expansion draft).

Why Edmonton Would Do This: Ryan is clearly a better player than Lucic, and would almost certainly be a great first-line-mate for Draisaitl and McDavid. Unlike Lucic, Ryan does not have to be protected in the Seattle expansion draft. The Oilers are out from under the big cap hit one year earlier.

Not sure whether Cave or Haas gets the first shot at #3C.

Of course, since the key players have a NMC (Lucic) or M-NTC (Ryan), there is NO chance this trade happens in real life.
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  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
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24$81,500,000$79,699,498$0$2,720,000$1,800,502
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C
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C
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LW, C
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$750,000$750,000
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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M-NTC
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
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NTC
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$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
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Jul. 11, 2019 at 11:49 a.m.
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I feel like if this was to happen it got to be either lucic and 2nd for Ryan the only way I see them moving Puljujärvi with lucic is if the return minimal money coming back
Jul. 11, 2019 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
I feel like if this was to happen it got to be either lucic and 2nd for Ryan the only way I see them moving Puljujärvi with lucic is if the return minimal money coming back


Then Ottawa is trading an actual player for only a stiff. Ottawa has to get a roster player to consider this.
Jul. 11, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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I would do Lucic, Pulju, Jones or Lagesson for 7th to OTT. It is going to take a significant sweetener to move Lucic and that could be it. Pulju requested a trade and won't be an Oiler and as for Jones or Lagesson you guys now have Broberg, Samorukov, Bouchard, Lagesson, Jones, and Bear. Samorukov, Bouchard, and Broberg will all probably be very good NHLers and one of the other 3 could take up spot 6. Likely Bear due to handedness. That makes Lagesson and Jones expendable.
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Jul. 11, 2019 at 12:15 p.m.
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Oilers don’t want bobby Ryan the guy is a lazy player Midas well keep Lucic I would rather see oilers give up some high draft picks to ship out Lucic and use the money to bring in talent another way
Jul. 11, 2019 at 12:20 p.m.
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Seems like a stiff price to pay, to get another player that nobody really wants. i get it s Lucic but dman..... The benfit for Lucic for Ryan straight up for Ott is they pay less money to keep lucic instead of Ryan. Edm pays more but gets a player who actually might be able to help them. Adding anything else is unnecessary for both teams.
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Jul. 11, 2019 at 12:36 p.m.
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Pulj is worth at most a 2nd rounder, the ask for EDM to move Lucic was the 8OA before the draft, EDM is stuck with Lucic unless they add major pieces going with him....OTT easy declines this a laughs at EDM.
Jul. 11, 2019 at 1:55 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Seems like a stiff price to pay, to get another player that nobody really wants. i get it s Lucic but dman..... The benfit for Lucic for Ryan straight up for Ott is they pay less money to keep lucic instead of Ryan. Edm pays more but gets a player who actually might be able to help them. Adding anything else is unnecessary for both teams.


The flaw in your theorizing is that the exchange of a first-liner for a third-liner (at best) is worth $4.5M in cash. That's nonsense. Ottawa needs an additional incentive.
Jul. 11, 2019 at 2:03 p.m.
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Pulj is worth at most a 2nd rounder, the ask for EDM to move Lucic was the 8OA before the draft, EDM is stuck with Lucic unless they add major pieces going with him....OTT easy declines this a laughs at EDM.


Once again, as with most of your inane musings, your magisterial pontification is nothing more than a load of horse****. You have no idea what teams wanted from Edmonton for Lucic, and Edmonton didn't bite, so what does that have to do with anything? And according to you, Ottawa gets the value of two seconds plus the financial deferral for Ryan -- how is this not "major pieces"?

You really should learn something about hockey before embarrassing yourself with such uninformed pronouncements. All of us "easily decline and laugh" at your opinions.
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Jul. 11, 2019 at 2:33 p.m.
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The flaw in your theorizing is that the exchange of a first-liner for a third-liner (at best) is worth $4.5M in cash. That's nonsense. Ottawa needs an additional incentive.


The only nonsense to be had here is saying Ryan is a 1st liner...... both players are cap dumps of the highest nature in the NHL. Saying anything otherwise is absolutely silly.

While i do agree, IF I WERE GM, i would rather keep Ryan who can at least still give something than saving the extra millions with Lucic's contract but this is Melnyk we're talking about so it is plausible.
Jul. 11, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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The only nonsense to be had here is saying Ryan is a 1st liner...... both players are cap dumps of the highest nature in the NHL. Saying anything otherwise is absolutely silly.

While i do agree, IF I WERE GM, i would rather keep Ryan who can at least still give something than saving the extra millions with Lucic's contract but this is Melnyk we're talking about so it is plausible.


Edmonton RW's last season: Chiasson, 38 points; Kassian, 26 points. Ryan, not playing with Connor McDavid, 42 points. I'd put him there in place of Chiasson or Granlund.
Jul. 11, 2019 at 3:51 p.m.
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Edmonton RW's last season: Chiasson, 38 points; Kassian, 26 points. Ryan, not playing with Connor McDavid, 42 points. I'd put him there in place of Chiasson or Granlund.


Does that still make him a 1st line winger? He's 32, gets injured often and hasn't scored 30 goals in over 7 seasons. I think its pretty safe to say at 7.25M, he's a cap dump more than anything.

And believe it or not, Lucic in the past 3 years has put up more points than Ryan has. Not that it changes anything, Lucic is declining fast but Ryan is by no means a slam dunk in any way shape or form.... 4.5M is also a lot of money for some GM's especially when the better player doesn't make them that much better.
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Jul. 11, 2019 at 4:03 p.m.
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Does that still make him a 1st line winger? He's 32, gets injured often and hasn't scored 30 goals in over 7 seasons. I think its pretty safe to say at 7.25M, he's a cap dump more than anything.

And believe it or not, Lucic in the past 3 years has put up more points than Ryan has. Not that it changes anything, Lucic is declining fast but Ryan is by no means a slam dunk in any way shape or form.... 4.5M is also a lot of money for some GM's especially when the better player doesn't make them that much better.


I agree. I don't think it costs Edmonton JP and a 2nd to make this swap. It probably works for both teams 1-for-1.
Jul. 12, 2019 at 6:02 p.m.
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Does that still make him a 1st line winger? He's 32, gets injured often and hasn't scored 30 goals in over 7 seasons. I think its pretty safe to say at 7.25M, he's a cap dump more than anything.

And believe it or not, Lucic in the past 3 years has put up more points than Ryan has. Not that it changes anything, Lucic is declining fast but Ryan is by no means a slam dunk in any way shape or form.... 4.5M is also a lot of money for some GM's especially when the better player doesn't make them that much better.


While it is true that Lucic (104) has scored more points than Ryan (100) in the last three years, Lucic is 50-34-20, while Ryan is 25-33-42. See the contrasting patterns here?

Moreover, the $4.5M you're referring to is buying another player -- Puljujarvi. I think even Melnyk understands this.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 2:29 p.m.
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Oilers don’t want bobby Ryan the guy is a lazy player Midas well keep Lucic I would rather see oilers give up some high draft picks to ship out Lucic and use the money to bring in talent another way


This would be a good strategy, but I don't think that it is realistic in the current state of affairs because I see no signs that anyone is eager to sign on in Edmonton (aside from Granlund).
Jul. 13, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Seems like a stiff price to pay, to get another player that nobody really wants. i get it s Lucic but dman..... The benfit for Lucic for Ryan straight up for Ott is they pay less money to keep lucic instead of Ryan. Edm pays more but gets a player who actually might be able to help them. Adding anything else is unnecessary for both teams.


You know, your comment has stuck in my head for the past couple of days and while I still disagree with you that a sweetener isn't needed for either side, you have convinced me that the trade I've constructed slants too much in Ottawa's direction. Ottawa needs a sweetener because the financial benefit alone isn't sufficient; Edmonton needs a sweetener because the on-ice benefit isn't sufficient. I would be happier if I'd put the second-round pick on the other side and made it a 2020 -- say, the middle of the three owned by Ottawa.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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I agree. I don't think it costs Edmonton JP and a 2nd to make this swap. It probably works for both teams 1-for-1.


I think I need to put the second on the other side and make it a 2020. See my preceding reply to F50marco, above.
 
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