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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:43 a.m.
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If ur a smart Pens fan ... most will say No Way !!!!
I love Murray and no way will GMJR trade him... but im sure u will have the Murray haters and MAF C*** riders bash him and say yes tho bc they are still mad about MAF leaving
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:44 a.m.
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This is so bad. Andersen is better than Murray. Much better! And Gudbranson is getting 4mil more than he should in NHL. He shouldnt be in NHL.
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:51 a.m.
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This is so bad. Andersen is better than Murray. Much better! And Gudbranson is getting 4mil more than he should in NHL. He shouldnt be in NHL.


LMFC&BO - 2 Stanley Cups better huh??
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:52 a.m.
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This is so bad. Andersen is better than Murray. Much better! And Gudbranson is getting 4mil more than he should in NHL. He shouldnt be in NHL.


I understand that but Andersen is getting up there in age and only has 2 years left. Yes I know we have Scott, and Woll, but I doubt they are ready in 2 years and Andersen will want a long term contract for big money. It was just a thought too get younger in net also Dubas pushed hard for Murray in the Kessel deal. Ps Murray has won 2 cups where as Andersen can't get us out of the first round tired or not. And Gudbranson I figured we could move or buyout next off-season.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:54 a.m.
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This is so bad. Andersen is better than Murray. Much better! And Gudbranson is getting 4mil more than he should in NHL. He shouldnt be in NHL.


Murray just needs to be consistent. If he can be consistent there wouldn’t be many guys better than him. “From December 15-end of season Murray was 25-9-5, with a .930 save percentage that ranked tied-2nd in the league. The games played were near the top of the league too.“
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:55 a.m.
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If ur a smart Pens fan ... most will say No Way !!!!
I love Murray and no way will GMJR trade him... but im sure u will have the Murray haters and MAF C*** riders bash him and say yes tho bc they are still mad about MAF leaving


I know he's good but Andersen is no slouch either. And you guys are getting cost certainty in net for an extra year, for a goalie who put up better stats in more games played last year. Plus you get rid of Gudbranson, and get a fast young winger who would be great in pitts.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:56 a.m.
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You put Murray on the Leafs roster the last two seasons and we don’t make the playoffs.

Andersen > Murray, it’s not even a debate
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:59 a.m.
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You put Murray on the Leafs roster the last two seasons and we don’t make the playoffs.

Andersen > Murray, it’s not even a debate


To say that it’s no debate shows that you don’t pay much attention to other teams
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 9:59 a.m.
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Murray just needs to be consistent. If he can be consistent there wouldn’t be many guys better than him. “From December 15-end of season Murray was 25-9-5, with a .930 save percentage that ranked tied-2nd in the league. The games played were near the top of the league too.“


But overall what do you think of the "hypothetical" trade? (Which wont happen anyways)
Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:00 a.m.
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You put Murray on the Leafs roster the last two seasons and we don’t make the playoffs.

Andersen > Murray, it’s not even a debate


That's not true.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:01 a.m.
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But overall what do you think of the "hypothetical" trade? (Which wont happen anyways)


Don’t think it’s that bad. TOR says no just because they’re giving away more total value.
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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To say that it’s no debate shows that you don’t pay much attention to other teams


From a Leafs fan who watches alot of Murray... I agree, yes we would have made the playoffs with Murray.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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To say that it’s no debate shows that you don’t pay much attention to other teams


I’m probably one of the very few people who follow most of the teams. Not to mention watching Murray in Junior hockey and beyond that. My opinion doesn’t change and you don’t have to like it.
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Don’t think it’s that bad. TOR says no just because they’re giving away more total value.


Thankssmile Appreciate the input!
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:05 a.m.
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I’m probably one of the very few people who follow most of the teams. Not to mention watching Murray in Junior hockey and beyond that. My opinion doesn’t change and you don’t have to like it.


Well you’re not providing much for your opinion. From December 15-end of season Murray was 25-9-5, with a .930 save percentage that ranked tied-2nd in the league. The games played were near the top of the league too. Seems good to me
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:07 a.m.
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Well you’re not providing much for your opinion. From December 15-end of season Murray was 25-9-5, with a .930 save percentage that ranked tied-2nd in the league. The games played were near the top of the league too. Seems good to me


Murray is definitely underrated, and i don't understand why.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:28 a.m.
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As a die hard Habs fan - which means I'm genetically wired to hate the Leafs - I have to say that league wide perception is possibly a bit skewed for both goalies. Murray might be A LITTLE BIT overrated. And Andersen might be A LITTLE BIT underrated. I emphasize A LITTLE BIT. They are both great goaltenders. The true big difference is 4 years in age difference. And the AAV trade both ways make little sense for both teams. I don't see the point in making that trade for both teams; the risk is high, but the actual reward for both clubs - the difference - is not worth the sweat. IMHO.
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:35 a.m.
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I'm not even focused on the goalies with this. I think Freddy is the better, more consistent goaltender of the two, but what's with this Johnsson and Gudbranson swap? Johnsson is a young, blossoming top six forward, and Gudbranson is awful quite frankly. This isn't a move that makes any sense from a Toronto perspective, and it makes all the sense in the world from a Penguins perspective.
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 10:55 a.m.
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I'm not even focused on the goalies with this. I think Freddy is the better, more consistent goaltender of the two, but what's with this Johnsson and Gudbranson swap? Johnsson is a young, blossoming top six forward, and Gudbranson is awful quite frankly. This isn't a move that makes any sense from a Toronto perspective, and it makes all the sense in the world from a Penguins perspective.


The reason why it makes sense for Toronto is because we need to get younger in net. We have 2 good young goalie prospects (Scott and Woll) but I highly doubt they're ready in 2 years as they haven't even played a game in the AHL yet. Andersen will want a long term contract for big $$ in two years and given his age he likely doesn't get it from us. I was trying to make it fair instead of lopsided for the leafs (as many do) but I'm sure we could get a 3rd or 4th back from pitts to balance it out. Also Dubas went hard after Murray in the Kessel trade but settled for Kap instead. I figured we could trade or buyout Gudbranson after the season.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:07 a.m.
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The reason why it makes sense for Toronto is because we need to get younger in net. We have 2 good young goalie prospects (Scott and Woll) but I highly doubt they're ready in 2 years as they haven't even played a game in the AHL yet. Andersen will want a long term contract for big $$ in two years and given his age he likely doesn't get it from us. I was trying to make it fair instead of lopsided for the leafs (as many do) but I'm sure we could get a 3rd or 4th back from pitts to balance it out. Also Dubas went hard after Murray in the Kessel trade but settled for Kap instead. I figured we could trade or buyout Gudbranson after the season.


The Leafs don't need to get younger in net. Most goalies don't hit their stride until their mid to late 20's and play well into their 30's.
Murray came into the league on fire but has fizzled since MAF moved on AND is an RFA after this year meaning he will most likely cost more then Andersen one year sooner.

If it were a one for one swap of goalies, I doubt either team would do it because they're both partial to their own guy. Adding Johnsson to the deal makes it bad and adding Gudbranson makes it horrible from a Leaf perspective.
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Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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The Leafs don't need to get younger in net. Most goalies don't hit their stride until their mid to late 20's and play well into their 30's.
Murray came into the league on fire but has fizzled since MAF moved on AND is an RFA after this year meaning he will most likely cost more then Andersen one year sooner.

If it were a one for one swap of goalies, I doubt either team would do it because they're both partial to their own guy. Adding Johnsson to the deal makes it bad and adding Gudbranson makes it horrible from a Leaf perspective.


I get your point but it was just an idea! It's not actually going to happen. Also I added Johnsson to insensitive pitts to trade Murray as they wouldn't otherwise. And I dont see the Leafs committing long term to Andersen when he has only proven to be a good regular season goalie (tired or not he does not show up in the playoffs) while Murray has won 2 cups. Also I figured we would trade or buyout Gudbranson after the season. I know we have Scott and Woll but i doubt they're ready to take over in 2 years.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:16 a.m.
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I get your point but it was just an idea! It's not actually going to happen. Also I added Johnsson to insensitive pitts to trade Murray as they wouldn't otherwise. And I dont see the Leafs committing long term to Andersen when he has only proven to be a good regular season goalie (tired or not he does not show up in the playoffs) while Murray has won 2 cups. Also I figured we would trade or buyout Gudbranson after the season. I know we have Scott and Woll but i doubt they're ready to take over in 2 years.


and Dubas pushed hard for Murray in the Kessel deal but pitts didn't want to part with him then. I get the value is off just didn't want a lopsided deal in the Leafs favour. Pitts probably throws a pick or two in the trade coming back.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:45 a.m.
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Matt Murray has a better statistical year than Andersen last year. Has only had one season with a save percentage of worse than .919 (Andersen has only had a save percentage higher than .919 once [.923]). Matt Murray has only had one year where his GAA was worse than 2.69, each of Andersen’s last 3 years were worse than that. But most leafs fans and pens haters will still try to say Andersen is better ? ☕️.
For my opinion on it is that the only way the pens do this is if you flip Gudbranson for JJ. Gudbranson is way overpaid but only for 2 more years. JJ is not as overpaid but the term is longer. And the cap hit isn’t as bad with JJ but the term is still the killer. As nice as the Johnsson would be in Pitt, I think our forwards are set. We actually have to trade one or two already. Not to mention that Gudbranson played well in Pitt and even as bad as he can be, he is still better than Trotman or Ruhwedel as third pair RHD.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Loops
You put Murray on the Leafs roster the last two seasons and we don’t make the playoffs.

Andersen > Murray, it’s not even a debate


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This is so bad. Andersen is better than Murray. Much better! And Gudbranson is getting 4mil more than he should in NHL. He shouldnt be in NHL.


Yeah I remember all the games Anderson stole in the playoffs on way to Toronto winning a stanley cup. How many shots did Murray stop from CBJ and Washington while winning two cups? THere were games against CBJ it was 47, 51 shots on goal. Anderson would have walked out losing.

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I'm not even focused on the goalies with this. I think Freddy is the better, more consistent goaltender of the two, but what's with this Johnsson and Gudbranson swap? Johnsson is a young, blossoming top six forward, and Gudbranson is awful quite frankly. This isn't a move that makes any sense from a Toronto perspective, and it makes all the sense in the world from a Penguins perspective.


Caps fan, enough said. Murray stole 2 cups from them, he's still mad.
Oh, Gudbranson slammed WIlly's head into the ice too. No surprise he wants him gone. They have already fought once. It didn't end well for wilson either who did his typical try to jump him and still lost.
Jul. 13, 2019 at 11:45 p.m.
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You put Murray on the Leafs roster the last two seasons and we don’t make the playoffs.

Andersen > Murray, it’s not even a debate


LMFDO, oh I needed a good laugh
 
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