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Offer-sheeting Marner is a bad idea - but what if - year 1

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If CBJ offer sheets Marner, this is what it would take to actually get him.
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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AAAHHH !!! FIRE !!!!
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I don't understand why you would sell off your future for just one year ?????

This 2018-2019 season all over again !!!
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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I had never seen someone overpay somebody this much. 9mil guy for almost 14? Wow..
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:14 p.m.
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I had never seen someone overpay somebody this much. 9mil guy for almost 14? Wow..


Thats not what Paul Marner thinks
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:17 p.m.
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Thats not what Paul Marner thinks


Literally nobody gives a **** what Paul Marner thinks lol
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:35 p.m.
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I don't understand why you would sell off your future for just one year ?????

This 2018-2019 season all over again !!!


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I had never seen someone overpay somebody this much. 9mil guy for almost 14? Wow..


Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Thats not what Paul Marner thinks


The Jackets have a plethora of young talent & a very solid defense corps. They are one key superstar away from contending & I think that player may very well be Mitch Marner. The offer sheet is too high, Leafs aren’t willing to match anything above 10 million dollars so they can easily get him without giving up 4 first rounders.

I will say this. In raw talent Marner & Nylander are very similar. I’d say Willy has better skating, shot & stick handling whereas Mitch has better agility, creativity, vision & puck skills. However, Mitch has the better all round game. Defensively he’s not great but he still finished 14th in Selke last season, much credit owed to Tavares & Hyman.

The main difference between them is their work effort & attitude. Mitch is always playing hard with high intensity. He goes into the corners, races into positions, takes hits & attempts to win battles. When he makes a mistake he shows a willingness to learn. Willy doesn’t. When he doesn’t have the puck, he just floats around & when he has to battle it seems like he so easily gives up on the play. Very similar style to Kessel. Honestly that’s the reason why Marner will make 2-3 million more than Nylander & deservingly so.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Maj
I don't understand why you would sell off your future for just one year ?????

This 2018-2019 season all over again !!!


Exactly what i'm saying
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:40 p.m.
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I had never seen someone overpay somebody this much. 9mil guy for almost 14? Wow..

If it's much less Toronto matches ... Jackets fans should be hoping Kekalainen (or however you spell his name) isn't stupid enough to offer sheet him at 13.75M.
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:40 p.m.
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The Jackets have a plethora of young talent & a very solid defense corps. They are one key superstar away from contending & I think that player may very well be Mitch Marner. The offer sheet is too high, Leafs aren’t willing to match anything above 10 million dollars so they can easily get him without giving up 4 first rounders.

I will say this. In raw talent Marner & Nylander are very similar. I’d say Willy has better skating, shot & stick handling whereas Mitch has better agility, creativity, vision & puck skills. However, Mitch has the better all round game. Defensively he’s not great but he still finished 14th in Selke last season, much credit owed to Tavares & Hyman.

The main difference between them is their work effort & attitude. Mitch is always playing hard with high intensity. He goes into the corners, races into positions, takes hits & attempts to win battles. When he makes a mistake he shows a willingness to learn. Willy doesn’t. When he doesn’t have the puck, he just floats around & when he has to battle it seems like he so easily gives up on the play. Very similar style to Kessel. Honestly that’s the reason why Marner will make 2-3 million more than Nylander & deservingly so.


yesterday you were saying he's comparable to conor sheary.

Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Mitch Marner is an extremely overrated player who is really nothing special. His advanced stats and possession metrics are far from impressive. In fact, even Nylander has better numbers than him. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each 30 goal scorer on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. This suggests that Marner doesn’t have a lot of individual talent plus his all round game is lacking. He has been riding on success playing with elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares. On his own he is average at best. Everyone has been talking about how he should be getting paid 9-10 million a season, but he’s actually nowhere close to that level. In reality, Mitch Marner’s closest comparable is Conor Sheary, another average winger who has benefited from playing with elite centres. Anything offer sheet over 5 million dollars the Leafs should not bother matching.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:42 p.m.
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yesterday you were saying he's comparable to conor sheary.


That was not my take. I was just repeating what Rahef Issa said on her radio show.
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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That was not my take. I was just repeating what Rahef Issa said on her radio show.


maybe should've mentioned that in the post because it's a horrendous take lmao
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:45 p.m.
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maybe should've mentioned that in the post because it's a horrendous take lmao


What is your opinion on Rahef Issa?
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:45 p.m.
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What is your opinion on Rahef Issa?


i don't know who she is
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Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
What is your opinion on Rahef Issa?


Who is that?
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:50 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
The Jackets have a plethora of young talent & a very solid defense corps. They are one key superstar away from contending & I think that player may very well be Mitch Marner. The offer sheet is too high, Leafs aren’t willing to match anything above 10 million dollars so they can easily get him without giving up 4 first rounders.

I will say this. In raw talent Marner & Nylander are very similar. I’d say Willy has better skating, shot & stick handling whereas Mitch has better agility, creativity, vision & puck skills. However, Mitch has the better all round game. Defensively he’s not great but he still finished 14th in Selke last season, much credit owed to Tavares & Hyman.

The main difference between them is their work effort & attitude. Mitch is always playing hard with high intensity. He goes into the corners, races into positions, takes hits & attempts to win battles. When he makes a mistake he shows a willingness to learn. Willy doesn’t. When he doesn’t have the puck, he just floats around & when he has to battle it seems like he so easily gives up on the play. Very similar style to Kessel. Honestly that’s the reason why Marner will make 2-3 million more than Nylander & deservingly so.


so jackets are one key superstar away from contending?

i mean you made the playoffs last year but you just lost panarin, duchene, dzingel, and bobrovsky. No matter how good marner is, the jackets are unquestionably a worse team this year with or without him.

I think most expect the jackets to miss the playoffs this year.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:58 p.m.
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Who is that?


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i don't know who she is


She’s a very popular sports media person in Toronto who played competitively in the girls’ program until she was 18. A huge fan of William Nylander and a hater of Mitch Marner. Check her out: https://mobile.twitter.com/rahef_issa
Jul. 15, 2019 at 12:59 p.m.
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so jackets are one key superstar away from contending?

i mean you made the playoffs last year but you just lost panarin, duchene, dzingel, and bobrovsky. No matter how good marner is, the jackets are unquestionably a worse team this year with or without him.

I think most expect the jackets to miss the playoffs this year.


Of course they aren’t going to be as good compared to last season but their team is still solid. If they land Marner for 10.5 million or less expect them to contend.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Maj
I don't understand why you would sell off your future for just one year ?????

This 2018-2019 season all over again !!!


Quoting: SammyT_51
I had never seen someone overpay somebody this much. 9mil guy for almost 14? Wow..


Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Thats not what Paul Marner thinks


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Exactly what i'm saying


Does anyone feel that Jake Guentzel is massively underpaid? Compared to other free agents this off-season I feel he should be getting 9-10 million on an 8 year deal. He’s a 40 goal scorer plus has so many world class performances in the playoffs. Not many players can boast that.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Does anyone feel that Jake Guentzel is massively underpaid? Compared to other free agents this off-season I feel he should be getting 9-10 million on an 8 year deal. He’s a 40 goal scorer plus has so many world class performances in the playoffs. Not many players can boast that.


I think pittsburgh is going with the whole , if Crosby is making X, don't you think you should be making Y .... but at the same time, they are trying to do team friendly deals, and anyone not in with the team friendly deal is getting shipped out. At the end of the day, they only have one intention and that is the cup. They seem to have bought into the mentality of Team and Cup rather than salary.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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so jackets are one key superstar away from contending?

i mean you made the playoffs last year but you just lost panarin, duchene, dzingel, and bobrovsky. No matter how good marner is, the jackets are unquestionably a worse team this year with or without him.

I think most expect the jackets to miss the playoffs this year.


They were doing pretty well even before they added Duchene and Dzingel. They may have still made the playoffs. I don't think they'd go far with Marner, but they might make the playoffs. The problem is that the East is getting way better so they may not even be a playoff team. Not worth it.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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She’s a very popular sports media person in Toronto who played competitively in the girls’ program until she was 18. A huge fan of William Nylander and a hater of Mitch Marner. Check her out: https://mobile.twitter.com/rahef_issa

Well, she probably knows nothing about hockey if she's comparing Marner to Sheary lol tears of joy.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 3:21 p.m.
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I just can't take anyone seriously who puts Texier as a 4C
I'm sorry, this person is clueless.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 3:32 p.m.
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so jackets are one key superstar away from contending?

i mean you made the playoffs last year but you just lost panarin, duchene, dzingel, and bobrovsky. No matter how good marner is, the jackets are unquestionably a worse team this year with or without him.

I think most expect the jackets to miss the playoffs this year.


Lets be honest, the only one out of that group that isn't replaceable is Panarin. Dzingel did little for CBJ 21 games 4 goals. You act like that was some great contribution. 9 playoff games 1 goal. He was a total disappointment and it cost him dollars on his next contract. He's by far, an easy replacement.
Bob....perennial playoff choker. I look forward to seeing elvis in net. In my opinion it's an upgrade on their playoff chances. With bob it was just a matter of when they would lose, not if.
Duchene has been a cancer everywhere he's gone. He's a decent player but he's over rated. Truth be told he had a strong playoffs with CBJ but the regular season play was pathetic. 23 games, 4 goals. If you think that was losing some great talent you are high as a kite. His and Dzingel's poor play for CBJ almost cost them a playoff spot. On top of it, his being on the team would get in the way of both Tex and Foudy. So I have no problem letting a 28 year old player who wants 7 years at a massive cap hit walk. The effect on the team will not be as great as you want to make it out to be.
Panarin does hurt. There is no doubt about that. OS marner might make up for that. Especially if the cost is only 2 1sts. I could see this happen. I don't personally think it's the answer. I would really like to see CBJ get a true 40 goal scorer not another, 20 some goals and a bunch of assists. They need a real legit weapon on the ice who is a pure danger with the puck. They lack that. It's the one piece that is preventing them from winning a cup. If they find that piece watch out. I don't think Marner is that piece.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 4:18 p.m.
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Lets be honest, the only one out of that group that isn't replaceable is Panarin. Dzingel did little for CBJ 21 games 4 goals. You act like that was some great contribution. 9 playoff games 1 goal. He was a total disappointment and it cost him dollars on his next contract. He's by far, an easy replacement.
Bob....perennial playoff choker. I look forward to seeing elvis in net. In my opinion it's an upgrade on their playoff chances. With bob it was just a matter of when they would lose, not if.
Duchene has been a cancer everywhere he's gone. He's a decent player but he's over rated. Truth be told he had a strong playoffs with CBJ but the regular season play was pathetic. 23 games, 4 goals. If you think that was losing some great talent you are high as a kite. His and Dzingel's poor play for CBJ almost cost them a playoff spot. On top of it, his being on the team would get in the way of both Tex and Foudy. So I have no problem letting a 28 year old player who wants 7 years at a massive cap hit walk. The effect on the team will not be as great as you want to make it out to be.
Panarin does hurt. There is no doubt about that. OS marner might make up for that. Especially if the cost is only 2 1sts. I could see this happen. I don't personally think it's the answer. I would really like to see CBJ get a true 40 goal scorer not another, 20 some goals and a bunch of assists. They need a real legit weapon on the ice who is a pure danger with the puck. They lack that. It's the one piece that is preventing them from winning a cup. If they find that piece watch out. I don't think Marner is that piece.


Who would you say is better, Marner or Guentzel?
Jul. 15, 2019 at 4:19 p.m.
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Well, she probably knows nothing about hockey if she's comparing Marner to Sheary lol tears of joy.


Well, her point was that Sheary relies on Crosby and Marner gets carried by Tavares. When they aren’t playing with these elite centres, they are a complete waste of space on the ice. But honestly, if she doesn’t know anything about hockey, she wouldn’t know who’s Conor Sheary.
Jul. 15, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.
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I think pittsburgh is going with the whole , if Crosby is making X, don't you think you should be making Y .... but at the same time, they are trying to do team friendly deals, and anyone not in with the team friendly deal is getting shipped out. At the end of the day, they only have one intention and that is the cup. They seem to have bought into the mentality of Team and Cup rather than salary.


I agree, the Penguins players are committed into taking less money to help the team win. A lot of including myself were afraid Jake was going to get traded or offer sheeted because we felt he was going to demand 8-9 million at least because he already won the cup and had proved himself with several elite playoff performances. Even if he walked away to another team so he could make more money no one could blame him. Seeing Panarin get 12 million Guentzel must be kicking himself for only taking 6.5!
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