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Marner to the Isles

Created by: Mannyhannies
Initial Creation Date: Jul 15, 2019
Published: Jul 15, 2019 at 5:52 pm
Team: 2019-20 New York Islanders
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Beauvillier, Anthony2$2,500,000
Marner, Mitchell5$12,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Marner, Mitchell$12,000,000
2020 1st round pick
2021 1st round pick
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick
Trades
NYI
  1. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
2021 MTL Second Round Pick Becomes First Rounder if MTL makes it past the First Round in either 2020, 2021, Playoffs.
MTL
  1. Leddy, Nick
NYI
  1. 2020 4th round pick (CGY)
  2. 2020 6th round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Hickey, Thomas
Buyouts
  • Rick DiPietro: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
NYI
CHI
NYI
NYI
CGY
NYI
NYI
LAK
NYI
2021
NYI
MTL
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2022
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$74,747,499$0$1,170,000$6,752,501

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYI
Lee, Anders
$7,000,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 7
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
NYI
Eberle, Jordan
$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
NYI
Beauvillier, Anthony
$2,500,000
LW
RFA - 2
NYI
Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
Marner, Mitchell
$12,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
NYI
Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
NYI
Koivula, Otto
$786,666
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
NYI
Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Martin, Matt
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
NYI
Cizikas, Casey
$3,350,000
C
UFA - 2
NYI
Clutterbuck, Cal
$3,500,000
RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYI
Toews, Devon
$700,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYI
Boychuk, Johnny
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 4
NYI
Pelech, Adam
$1,600,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYI
Pulock, Ryan
$2,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYI
Greiss, Thomas
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
NYI
Aho, Sebastian
$770,000
D
RFA - 1
NYI
Dobson, Noah
$894,167
RD
RFA - 3
NYI
Mayfield, Scott
$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYI
Johnston, Ross
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 3
NYI
Ladd, Andrew
$5,500,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Barzal, M.
Nelson, B.
Lee, A.
Marner, M.
Toews, D.
Power Play 2
Eberle, J.
Koivula, O.
Beauvillier, A.
Pulock, R.
Bailey, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Nelson, B.
Marner, M.
Toews, D.
Boychuk, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Cizikas, C.
Clutterbuck, C.
Pelech, A.
Pulock, R.

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Jul 15, 2019 at 6:52
#1
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You think Leddy is worth a 1st and two 2nds?? wut
Jul 15, 2019 at 8:42
#2
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
You think Leddy is worth a 1st and two 2nds?? wut


top 4 puck moving D man with three years left at a reasonable AAV could yes. hard to get, always in demand. aka law of supply and demand.
Jul 16, 2019 at 3:48
#3
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Quoting: trickydick55
top 4 puck moving D man with three years left at a reasonable AAV could yes. hard to get, always in demand. aka law of supply and demand.


Nahhh. Look what Subban just gathered.. Leddy hasn't been very good recently.
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Jul 16, 2019 at 1:47
#4
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
Nahhh. Look what Subban just gathered.. Leddy hasn't been very good recently.


No offense man, but this is a terrible take and comparison. Subban was purely a CAP dump so Nashville could sign Duchene. It’s already been reported several times that Nashville left better deals on the table because NJ took ALL of Subbans contract, which is what Nashville needed.

Also, not sure about your assessment that “Leddy hasn’t been very good recently” take... until this past season Leddy was a consistent 40+ #1 defensemen. His point total dropped last year because of the Defense first system Trotz employs, and even then, he was 12 points away from 40. Not to mention he improved his +/- from -42 two years ago to 0 this past season. The only reason Leddy is even considered to be moved is because Toews is a younger, cheaper version of him, so Leddy can be moved to help the team without hurting the Isles defense.
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Jul 16, 2019 at 10:32
#5
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Quoting: Hockeygoalie53
No offense man, but this is a terrible take and comparison. Subban was purely a CAP dump so Nashville could sign Duchene. It’s already been reported several times that Nashville left better deals on the table because NJ took ALL of Subbans contract, which is what Nashville needed.

Also, not sure about your assessment that “Leddy hasn’t been very good recently” take... until this past season Leddy was a consistent 40+ #1 defensemen. His point total dropped last year because of the Defense first system Trotz employs, and even then, he was 12 points away from 40. Not to mention he improved his +/- from -42 two years ago to 0 this past season. The only reason Leddy is even considered to be moved is because Toews is a younger, cheaper version of him, so Leddy can be moved to help the team without hurting the Isles defense.


Look man, Leddy isn't worth two 1sts and a 2nd. Especially not from MTL. To say Leddy was a #1 defenseman is just a brutal take.. 2020 draft is stacked so don't expect 1st round picks to be flying in the air. If you really think this is a fair trade you need to check the NHL market. & it doesn't matter if Subban was a cap dump or not.
Jul 16, 2019 at 11:37
#6
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
Look man, Leddy isn't worth two 1sts and a 2nd. Especially not from MTL. To say Leddy was a #1 defenseman is just a brutal take.. 2020 draft is stacked so don't expect 1st round picks to be flying in the air. If you really think this is a fair trade you need to check the NHL market. & it doesn't matter if Subban was a cap dump or not.


No, I don’t think he is worth 2 1sts and a 2nd, the condition would need to be taken off... but he is certainly worth a 1st and a 2nd, maybe 2 2nds if teams that miss out on Gardiner go hard after Leddy and getting into a bidding war. Let’s not forget that Travis Hamonic, who is no where near as valuable as Leddy got a 1st and 2 2nds, so anything is possible.

My response was in regard to your comment that Leddy hasn’t been good, which is just wrong. He’s been a solid #1 on the Isles since he came over from CHI and would still be the #1 on this team if we didn’t have two guys who are younger, cheaper and just as good, if not better than Leddy. And for the record, If it wasn’t for the fact that MTL has Weber, Leddy would be the #1 on MTL as well.

Lastly, Subban being a camp dump does matter, in fact it means everything when your talking about returns. The fact that you think otherwise shows how little you know about how trades actually work.
Jul 17, 2019 at 12:00
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Quoting: Hockeygoalie53
No, I don’t think he is worth 2 1sts and a 2nd, the condition would need to be taken off... but he is certainly worth a 1st and a 2nd, maybe 2 2nds if teams that miss out on Gardiner go hard after Leddy and getting into a bidding war. Let’s not forget that Travis Hamonic, who is no where near as valuable as Leddy got a 1st and 2 2nds, so anything is possible.

My response was in regard to your comment that Leddy hasn’t been good, which is just wrong. He’s been a solid #1 on the Isles since he came over from CHI and would still be the #1 on this team if we didn’t have two guys who are younger, cheaper and just as good, if not better than Leddy. And for the record, If it wasn’t for the fact that MTL has Weber, Leddy would be the #1 on MTL as well.

Lastly, Subban being a camp dump does matter, in fact it means everything when your talking about returns. The fact that you think otherwise shows how little you know about how trades actually work.


Left shot defenders are way more common than right shot D's. Maybe two 2nds for Leddy max.. Or a late first. Please stop saying Leddy is a #1 Dman, you're clearly biased.

Now for the Subban trade... I wouldn't say it's a cap dump lol. Subban is still a very good defenseman... Another return would have probably included a 1st instead of a 2nd if Nashville would have retained 2 mil on the deal.

you're clearly the one who knows little about the NHL trade market..
Jul 17, 2019 at 7:37
#8
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
Left shot defenders are way more common than right shot D's. Maybe two 2nds for Leddy max.. Or a late first. Please stop saying Leddy is a #1 Dman, you're clearly biased.

Now for the Subban trade... I wouldn't say it's a cap dump lol. Subban is still a very good defenseman... Another return would have probably included a 1st instead of a 2nd if Nashville would have retained 2 mil on the deal.

you're clearly the one who knows little about the NHL trade market..


My God man, just stop, these takes are just getting worse.... lets try this one more time shall we...

I'm not biased on Leddy, I've been watching him play for the past 5 season on the Isles, for whom he has been the #1 defenseman. And while he may be more of a 2 or 3 now, he is still capable of being a #1 defenseman. But regardless, he is still an excellent skating, puck moving, Top 4 LHD and by all accounts there are two of those available right now.. Gardiner as a FA and Leddy as a trade. Meaning, whichever teams miss out on Gardiner, are going to turn to Leddy, meaning bidding war, meaning price goes up... simple logic and normal workings of trades.

Also, Leddy doesn't NEED to be moved, which means the Isles would have to get back what they deem fair value for him to be traded. He is our most valuable chip AND we are stacked on the Left side, with 2 players NHL ready that can step into Leddy's role. The current speculated return for Leddy, by legit analysts, is one of the following scenarios... 1) A Top 6 Winger, 2) An "A" prospect plus or 3) A 1st round pick plus. And, again, once Gardiner goes off the board, Leddy becomes the #1 LHD D on the market.. meaning his value goes up.

Now, as for the Subban deal, below is a link to where the Nashville GM says it was a CAP dump to free up CAP space. He also says it was the Devils willingness to absorb the entire 9m of Subbans salary that they went with that trade, even though better offers were on the table. They wanted to go after Duchene and needed Subban's salary gone to do so... that is the very definition of a CAP dump. Which means, the return was diminished, even though Subban is still a good player, and therefore the comparison can NOT be used in determining the value in other trades... again, the basics of logic and how trades work.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2019/06/24/nashville-predators-pk-subban-trade-dante-fabbro-nhl-draft/1538421001/
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Jul 17, 2019 at 1:57
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Quoting: Hockeygoalie53
My God man, just stop, these takes are just getting worse.... lets try this one more time shall we...

I'm not biased on Leddy, I've been watching him play for the past 5 season on the Isles, for whom he has been the #1 defenseman. And while he may be more of a 2 or 3 now, he is still capable of being a #1 defenseman. But regardless, he is still an excellent skating, puck moving, Top 4 LHD and by all accounts there are two of those available right now.. Gardiner as a FA and Leddy as a trade. Meaning, whichever teams miss out on Gardiner, are going to turn to Leddy, meaning bidding war, meaning price goes up... simple logic and normal workings of trades.

Also, Leddy doesn't NEED to be moved, which means the Isles would have to get back what they deem fair value for him to be traded. He is our most valuable chip AND we are stacked on the Left side, with 2 players NHL ready that can step into Leddy's role. The current speculated return for Leddy, by legit analysts, is one of the following scenarios... 1) A Top 6 Winger, 2) An "A" prospect plus or 3) A 1st round pick plus. And, again, once Gardiner goes off the board, Leddy becomes the #1 LHD D on the market.. meaning his value goes up.

Now, as for the Subban deal, below is a link to where the Nashville GM says it was a CAP dump to free up CAP space. He also says it was the Devils willingness to absorb the entire 9m of Subbans salary that they went with that trade, even though better offers were on the table. They wanted to go after Duchene and needed Subban's salary gone to do so... that is the very definition of a CAP dump. Which means, the return was diminished, even though Subban is still a good player, and therefore the comparison can NOT be used in determining the value in other trades... again, the basics of logic and how trades work.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2019/06/24/nashville-predators-pk-subban-trade-dante-fabbro-nhl-draft/1538421001/


Come back to this thread when Leddy gets traded.. He isn't the only LHD on the market lol.

Dude I now Nashville was trying to free up cap space to sign Duchene, but there's a big difference between a cap dump and trying to free up cap space... Poile isn't an idiot, his "better" deals were most likely the addition of a 1st instead of a 2nd or a slightly better player in return. If the return was substantially better, Poile would have retained a bit of salary on the Subban deal and figured something else out.

Clearly you're not worth arguing against as it looks like it's your way or the highway.
Jul 17, 2019 at 9:15
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
Nahhh. Look what Subban just gathered.. Leddy hasn't been very good recently.


Subban was moved as a cap dump that NSH needed to move and still got 2 C prospects and 2 2nd round picks. two different situations, two very different negotiating positions
Jul 18, 2019 at 8:04
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Quoting: Talking_Senators
Come back to this thread when Leddy gets traded.. He isn't the only LHD on the market lol.

Dude I now Nashville was trying to free up cap space to sign Duchene, but there's a big difference between a cap dump and trying to free up cap space... Poile isn't an idiot, his "better" deals were most likely the addition of a 1st instead of a 2nd or a slightly better player in return. If the return was substantially better, Poile would have retained a bit of salary on the Subban deal and figured something else out.

Clearly you're not worth arguing against as it looks like it's your way or the highway.


LOL, it's not my way, it's the way things actually work. It's been reported SEVERAL times that Nashvilles goal was to DUMP Subbans salary because they wanted to sign Duchene and it was the only way they could. They specifically LEFT better deals (better players and picks) on the table because THEIR GOAL WAS TO DUMP HIS SALARY, not maximize their return. Not entirely sure why you can't get that this is a TOTALLY different scenario than Leddy.

Also, name me one better LHD that is ACTUALLY on the market? Ghost from Philly? Not actually on the market, Philly has been getting calls, but don't appear to be actively shopping him... anyone else?? Don't think so....

But you are right about one thing, it's pointless to keep arguing with you, when you CLEARLY have NO IDEA how trades work in the NHL... So, this will be my last reply to you.
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