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Laine to the Blues

Created by: dp6154
Team: 2019-20 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 17, 2019
Published: Jul. 17, 2019
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Ok I know this is unrealistic but I thought it would be fun to sandbox. There are two goals here
1) get Laine
2) somehow keep Kyrou
Good luck me, right?

After outcome edit:
What I like - Laine is an upgrade over Schenn + Eddy and well worth losing Kostin and a first. Gaining a guy long term who will pair with Tarasenko as sniper 1a and sniper 1b and getting him both at the likely last time to get him at all during his prime and last time for anyone to sign him under 10M after he came off a down year. Only Blais and Fabbri remain unsigned as forwards next year, both of whom are probably your healthy scratches when everyone is in, allowing you to return the same forward group each of the next two years
What I don't like - having to give up Schenn means not really making the starting lineup any deeper, it's still either one of Sanford, Blais, MacEachern and Fabbri stepping into a full time job if Kyrou makes the jump or two of them if he doesn't. you're looking at having to fill one of the LHD and 7th D (replacing Bouwmeester & Pouloit) at minimum to 1M even after cap dumping Allen next year just to keep Dunn and Pietrangelo(this is of course assumning the cap doesn't go up next year and Pietrangelo and Dunn don't come cheaper than 9M and 6M AAV respectively) . The Blues will have not drafted in the first round 2 years in a row (given they are late firsts, they can trade back into it and they still have Thomas on the roster and Bokk in the minors as first rounders from the last 2 years so they aren't in a lot of pain there and they'd be getting Patrik freaking Laine)

New Edit:
Ok I was trying to do wthis without an offer sheet as they don't happen often and doesn't seem like Armstrong's style (not that I'm assuming this is the most realistic anyway)

If you go by HockeyGraphs contract estimates (which are usually pretty accurate adn have done very well, especially on middle to lower tier players, this offseason, Poink, Connor and Copp should cost just over 12M. Just to make roster size then assuming the Jets pour all minimum contract players to fill the holes you are looking at 700k/player so 3 more at that is another 2.1M
That leaves the 22.8M in cap space ~14.5M as 8.3M for Laine + bonuses etc. realizing bonuses happen that means the Aho deal puts Laine just out of WPGs reach but I'd bet the would figure something out for a few hundred thousand and Laine is worth the second first so a 9M AAV prices them out (and puts the Blues tight for Bonuses but again they can work that out pretty easily the same way QPG can easily work out matching a Aho like deal

Also this somewhat kills my returning forwards assertion because Schenn walks but there is a little more wiggle room to sign or handle the cap space to trade for a center the next year. Hopefully a Nuge rental (and preferably subsequent extension) wouldn't be too expensive
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,650,000
1$950,000
2$2,000,000
5$9,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Laine, Patrik$9,000,000
2020 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2021 1st round pick
Trades
1.
STL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (ARI)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Edmundson, Joel [RFA Rights]
2.
STL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$71,962,927$12,928$915,000$9,537,073

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$9,000,000$9,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,875,000$1,875,000
C
UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$758,333$758,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RW
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$4,350,000$4,350,000
G
UFA - 2
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$722,500$722,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 17, 2019 at 9:47 a.m.
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if it aint broke dont fix it
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 9:48 a.m.
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WPG politely says GTFOH
Jul. 17, 2019 at 9:50 a.m.
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1. Winnipeg doesn’t accept
2. Laine is a bad hockey player
Jul. 17, 2019 at 9:54 a.m.
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laugh Chevy would laugh at that proposal for Patrick Laine, Nowhere near enough.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 9:59 a.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
WPG politely says GTFOH


I mean fair and that's good feedback but that's basically a first and a third instead of Schenn away from "here is what you'd get for the Aho OS + a budding prospect to possibly fill the same role"and from what I see the rumors for Laine returns are lower than that(which seems of course insane and is probably why he's not dealt but still they seem lower).

So is this a Winnipeg would value the picks more thing? A you think Kostin isn't well thought of in prospect circles for some reason thing? A you think the rumors are all bull**** adn Winnipeg is not trading Laine and is gonna work some cap magic thing?

Like, I appreciate the feedback but I can't tell if it's helpful perspective or "The Jets would never give the Blues Laine unless they traded the entire franchise for him" homerism without knowing what you mean and knowing what you mean would help me sandbox more and edit it anyway
Jul. 17, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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I mean fair and that's good feedback but that's basically a first and a third instead of Schenn away from "here is what you'd get for the Aho OS + a budding prospect to possibly fill the same role"and from what I see the rumors for Laine returns are lower than that(which seems of course insane and is probably why he's not dealt but still they seem lower).

So is this a Winnipeg would value the picks more thing? A you think Kostin isn't well thought of in prospect circles for some reason thing? A you think the rumors are all bull**** adn Winnipeg is not trading Laine and is gonna work some cap magic thing?

Like, I appreciate the feedback but I can't tell if it's helpful perspective or "The Jets would never give the Blues Laine unless they traded the entire franchise for him" homerism without knowing what you mean and knowing what you mean would help me sandbox more and edit it anyway


Kostin is a nice prospect but his value is low right now.

Schenn has 1 year left so his value is very low in comparison to Laine.

The picks do nothing to help WPG. This is a team with a core built to win now.

Remember trades have to make some sense for all parties involved.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 10:11 a.m.
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Laine may have had a bad year but he still is a franchise player. He will never be traded....at least in the next 4 years. The only way he moves on is an O/S at 4 1st rounders.

Plus the only thing why you guys want him is so he doesnt score 5 goals on you next yearsmile
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
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if it aint broke dont fix it


true
Jul. 17, 2019 at 10:22 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 17, 2019 at 10:45 a.m.
Quoting: feds91stammer
Kostin is a nice prospect but his value is low right now.

Schenn has 1 year left so his value is very low in comparison to Laine.

The picks do nothing to help WPG. This is a team with a core built to win now.

Remember trades have to make some sense for all parties involved.


So this is a long way of saying that you think the trade rumors are false because nobody is trading for Laine to downgrade for years to come. So I guess it's between just offer sheeting Laine in my sandbox or assume the Jets d cap acrobatics and the rumors are all nonsense. Still that's helpful, thank you
Jul. 17, 2019 at 6:25 p.m.
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I think I'd rather go after M. Tkachuk. Calgary would have the money to re-sign Schenn if desired. I think a package of Schenn, Kostin, Reinke and a 1st might get them to consider it.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 8:00 p.m.
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I think I'd rather go after M. Tkachuk. Calgary would have the money to re-sign Schenn if desired. I think a package of Schenn, Kostin, Reinke and a 1st might get them to consider it.


I think I like Laine enough more that I wouldn't mind either way but if that's the cost for Tkachuk I'm on board
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 11:37 p.m.
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If you're going after a Jet go after Connor, not Laine.
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Jul. 18, 2019 at 12:03 a.m.
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If you're going after a Jet go after Connor, not Laine.


Much more complete player. I agree.
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