Not bad, but you still have overpaid Marner by ~2Mil.

Kanes 2nd Contract, Aho's signing, Brayden Points estimated AAV and not buying any UFA years from Marner. Add that no one actually offersheeting marner and rumors he wants to be a leaf...

6.5Mil/2, 7.5/3 8.5Mil/5, 9Mil/6, 9.5Mil/7

I agree $8m is to high on a 3 year deal, but that is the highest I would go, so went with that to show how it would work. I think a bridge should be under $7m per year

Ah, fair enough. Yeah I agree with you, but something about seeing 8/2 really bothers me internally hah. Guess we will see how this goes.

I only showed 8/2 because the 2019/20 year would already be done for this AGM. Still to high though considering it is a couple million over the highest bridge deal ever by Kucherov

"Marner on a bridge"


Do you think he's gonna jump because he didn't get Matthews contract ?

This comment is very reasonable.

Which is mother fu**ing astounding !

Haha, I Agree. I need to log off. I see too bad takes of people using emotion and fairy dust to will something into existance. With no Salary cap or a soft cap i would give Marner the sun and the moon. But we need to use facts and the landscape of the NHL to make good decisions.

bahahahahhahahahhaha. this is so out of touch with reality.

How? Why? I would like to know. Give me facts.

why wouldn't he have signed this by now were he willing. he wants matthews money. He'll probably get close to it. What do you mean facts? This is all kind of what we think will happen right? Marner has lead the leafs in points the last two years. there's a fact for you. He's going to get paid, and it isn't going to be a laughable 6x2.

This is the problem. You are arguing for emotion and feelings and what he wants. I want the house I own to be worth 5Million dollars. But if the market of the area in which I live and what buyers who want to buy are willing to pay is only 800K, well im **** out of luck. I may be upset my house wont sell for 5Mil, but what i am asking for is not in the realm of reality. Its literally the exact same thing with Mitch Marner.

6x2 is laughable?

Kucherov took a 6.5% cap hit for 3 years. 4.5Mil/year. Today that would only be 5Mil/3. Its in the realm of reasonable for Marner to take a 6x2. Kucherov at the time was at least as good as marner. Most likely better than him.
Kane-Marners comparable since CHL, and even the NHL. Very similar players and skillset. 2nd contract 6.3Mil/5 years. Total 11% of the Cap. in todays Money 9.3Mil/5 years
Aho - same age as marner, drives play better, plays center(more valuable), scores more goals(more valueable) and is better defensively. 8.5Mil/5. He agreed he was worth this by signing it.
Point - Basically rumors in TBL have him around 8.2-9.2/5 year deal. Point is better than both Aho and Marner.
Marner - has no recieved a single offersheet. Has said he wants to stay in Toronto. Boom negotiating power is gone

Also serious question - would marner have scored as many goals playing without Taraves. Id argue no. You need a finisher. We've seen what marner can do, but marner making passes to Kadri, Kapanen, Johnsson, Hyman all year, having them mishandle the puck, have it bounce of shinguards, not being in the right position is not the same as passing to another elite guy in JT. Tavares points went up +4. Marners +25 and Tavares has a history of making players around him better. This is not a slight against Mitch. Mitch is Elite. Mitch and Tavares make eachother better.

Context is important. Facts are important. If there was no Salary cap, give Marner the sun and the moon.

The market, his team, the league. He aint worth Matthews Money

Neither is Matthews

And here is your issue: you're looking at this through rabid leaf fan glasses.

Few things here: 1. the league has changed. Young players get paid. Simple as that.
Taxes matter. A contract in tampa doesn't really say anything about a contract in toronto. That 9.5 that kucherov signed for...he would have to make 12.8 in toronto to get the same amount of money.
Matthews matters. The leafs did this to themselves. Why should Marner be taking 2x6 when Matthews got 5x11.634. That is a joke. Offer him that, he'll take two years of arbitration and be gone in UFA.
Marner is better than Aho. Come on.

matthews is significantly more impactful than marner.

also how is he looking at this through "rabid leaf fan glasses"? he's giving concrete citations on why marner shouldn't be anywhere near 11 million.

the taxes argument is tired and overcited. there's a ton of considerations when determining taxes and it varies widely between players.

ya, he's citing bogus things. That would be like me saying, well, drew doughty signed a 7x7 deal off his entry deal, so since he's a bit better than mcavoy when he was that age, mcavoy should get 8 years x 6 million. No, it was like 8 years ago, so that's absurd.

His argument boils down to, "I don't want Marner to get a whole bunch of money and screw up my cap. So he won't. And here are the weird pieces of evidence I'm randomly cherry picking to show why."

Just, no.

citing cap comparables is bogus? what?

go back and read my last two posts. It specifically shows why they are bad comparables.

You are being picky and choosy with the facts we give you. They arent weird pieces of evidence or cherry picking. They are common, obvious and current facts. You just dont like them because they hurt your point.
Also the entire time we have been talking we have talked about % of cap. So cap goes up, what the person makes goes up. Therefore you can compare people who sign on different years. Math.

Youve been using your "pro-marner goggles of emotion", I have given concrete examples without them

Again your points are emotion based. Taxes do not play a big roll. Also if you want to talk about taxes, talk about how the leafs Offset that small amount by frontloading the contract with Bonus's. Makes that point moot.

Aho and marner we can have an arguement on who is better. I have time for that discussion. But Fact they are so similar. But fact- aho plays center. Fact-he scores more goals. Fact-both of those things are more valuable and give you more money in the NHL, regardless of team.

Matthews- best 5v5 goal scorer in the entire league last 3 years
Marner- not even top 30 in goals, not even top 10 in assists.

taxes don't play a big roll? We should just stop talking right there. You aren't in touch with how the NHL works.
Signing bonuses? Kucherov got an 11 million dollar check on july 1st.

They're not bad comparables lmao. He extrapolated wingers that put up a ton of points to see if Marner getting 6 x 2 was fair. Marner put up good numbers for his first three years, so did the guys Chiller cited. He also compared to current (!) RFAs. The only bad comparable was thinking McAvoy is anywhere near the level Doughty was at.

I don't think Marner is going to get 6 x 2, but I don't think he'll get 11 million. The only reason people think he should get 11 million is because Friedman said something on a radio show 3 months ago. Get better reasons.

Okay, elaborate how the NHL works when it comes to taxes.

players want to make money. higher tax market, higher salary.

i'm wheezing oh my god

reality is tough sometimes. Don't worry buddy, you'll catch on.