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Marner on a bridge

Created by: nchest
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 17, 2019
Published: Jul. 17, 2019
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If Marner signs a 3 year $8m contract
Free Agent Signings
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2$8,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$2,500,000
2$750,000
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1$700,000
6$7,500,000
4$4,750,000
1$950,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (ANA)
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Just picked the Ducks, could be any team for a pick or non NHL salary
ANA
  1. Hyman, Zach
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Similar to Brown, the Leafs won't be able to afford a guy like Hyman, need to rely on young entry level contracts to stay under the cap.
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23$83,500,000$83,322,616$0$400,000$177,384
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: nchest
I agree $8m is to high on a 3 year deal, but that is the highest I would go, so went with that to show how it would work. I think a bridge should be under $7m per year


I doubt St. Louis lets Pietrangelo get to FA. And I doubt Hamonic signs for that. Also Marner will get 9.5-9.75×6 it allows him to see what AM34 & WN88 get on their next deals.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:28 p.m.
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reality is tough sometimes. Don't worry buddy, you'll catch on.


https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/01/08/how-much-do-nhl-players-really-make-part-2-taxes/
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
And here is your issue: you're looking at this through rabid leaf fan glasses.

Few things here: 1. the league has changed. Young players get paid. Simple as that.
Taxes matter. A contract in tampa doesn't really say anything about a contract in toronto. That 9.5 that kucherov signed for...he would have to make 12.8 in toronto to get the same amount of money.
Matthews matters. The leafs did this to themselves. Why should Marner be taking 2x6 when Matthews got 5x11.634. That is a joke. Offer him that, he'll take two years of arbitration and be gone in UFA.
Marner is better than Aho. Come on.


Taxes dont matter when your being paid in American money and your cost of living is in Canadian money. Also not as big of a deal as Mitch is Canadian, if he was American it would be different i.e. our baseball and basketball teams have a hard time attracting free agents of value because of this not our hockey teams.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Taxes dont matter when your being paid in American money and your cost of living is in Canadian money. Also not as big of a deal as Mitch is Canadian, if he was American it would be different i.e. our baseball and basketball teams have a hard time attracting free agents of value because of this not our hockey teams.


taxes are a very complicating thing when dealing with athletics from multiple countries and work in many different states/provinces and reside all over the place !!!!!!
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:51 p.m.
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and?

Notice how Subban is paid 6 million less and only makes 1 million less?
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:52 p.m.
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Taxes dont matter when your being paid in American money and your cost of living is in Canadian money. Also not as big of a deal as Mitch is Canadian, if he was American it would be different i.e. our baseball and basketball teams have a hard time attracting free agents of value because of this not our hockey teams.


toronto is about 3 times more expensive than buffalo, and probably 100 times more expensive than Dallas. Why did Stamkos reportedly ask for 14 million from the leafs and take 8.5 in tampa?
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
reality is tough sometimes. Don't worry buddy, you'll catch on.


Your the only one who doesn't seem to get it or is living in reality! McAvoy compared to Doughty?? Really?? Taxes dont matter when you get paid in American money and your cost of living is in Canadian money! Or did you just conveniently forget that? Also Mitch is Canadian so he's already paying those taxes unlike AM34 who has to pay taxes to the Canadian government and the American government! Or did you conveniently forget that aswell? Or just not know? Either way your argument is flawed. Also just about every single stat proves that JT drove that line and was the same player away from Marner where as Marner struggled horribly away from JT. He ain't getting Matthews money because he ain't worth it.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:57 p.m.
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toronto is about 3 times more expensive than buffalo, and probably 100 times more expensive than Dallas. Why did Stamkos reportedly ask for 14 million from the leafs and take 8.5 in tampa?


why did panarin sign in new york instead of florida

why do any players sign in california, the state with the highest tax

why don't you cite anything you say
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:59 p.m.
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Your the only one who doesn't seem to get it or is living in reality! McAvoy compared to Doughty?? Really?? Taxes dont matter when you get paid in American money and your cost of living is in Canadian money! Or did you just conveniently forget that? Also Mitch is Canadian so he's already paying those taxes unlike AM34 who has to pay taxes to the Canadian government and the American government! Or did you conveniently forget that aswell? Or just not know? Either way your argument is flawed. Also just about every single stat proves that JT drove that line and was the same player away from Marner where as Marner struggled horribly away from JT. He ain't getting Matthews money because he ain't worth it.


sigh. as for the doughty comment, are you all really that think? I was purposefully, and it utterly baffles me how people possibly missed this, demonstrating a BAD comparable. That was the whole damn point. I was saying that these idiot comparables would be like me saying, oh, just give mcavoy what Doughty got on his second deal, which is obviously moronic.

Toronto is far far far more expensive than the majority of American NHL cities. That is not up for debate. That is not opinion. That is as simple as 2+2=4. You may not like it, and that's fine, but that doesn't change that it is true. 9.5 million for kucherov in tampa would be the same as Marner's 12.8 in toronto. Oh, and then factor in that Florida is just way cheaper than Toronto. It is utterly absurd to argue otherwise. You're wrong, you know you're wrong, stop justifying stupidity. Good day to all.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:00 p.m.
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taxes are a very complicating thing when dealing with athletics from multiple countries and work in many different states/provinces and reside all over the place !!!!!!


I understand that just pointing this out as it never gets mentioned and it definitely affects pro athletes
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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why did panarin sign in new york instead of florida

why do any players sign in california, the state with the highest tax

why don't you cite anything you say


those players are offered more cap money to make up for the difference in tax. Panarin, like many Russians, like the russian communities in brooklyn. This isn't news. I don't know why I ever entered into a thread about marner signing for 6 million dollars. It's like debating quantum physics with toddlers.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:02 p.m.
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toronto is about 3 times more expensive than buffalo, and probably 100 times more expensive than Dallas. Why did Stamkos reportedly ask for 14 million from the leafs and take 8.5 in tampa?


Stammer was never coming to tdot so whats your point?
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:05 p.m.
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I don't know why I ever entered into a thread about marner signing for 6 million dollars. It's like debating quantum physics with toddlers.


because we're all dumb

arguing over the salaries of millionaires
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:12 p.m.
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sigh. as for the doughty comment, are you all really that think? I was purposefully, and it utterly baffles me how people possibly missed this, demonstrating a BAD comparable. That was the whole damn point. I was saying that these idiot comparables would be like me saying, oh, just give mcavoy what Doughty got on his second deal, which is obviously moronic.

Toronto is far far far more expensive than the majority of American NHL cities. That is not up for debate. That is not opinion. That is as simple as 2+2=4. You may not like it, and that's fine, but that doesn't change that it is true. 9.5 million for kucherov in tampa would be the same as Marner's 12.8 in toronto. Oh, and then factor in that Florida is just way cheaper than Toronto. It is utterly absurd to argue otherwise. You're wrong, you know you're wrong, stop justifying stupidity. Good day to all.


No we all know your wrong, and are the one trying to justify stupidity. We all know Tor is more expensive, we get that. Ain't no offer sheets came from anywhere cheaper. Forget about the taxes for a min and realize that he will\would make way more here due to endorsement deals. There's lots of different reasons as to ehy the taxes aren't as big of a deal as you are trying to make it out to be. And his comparables where good comps, he even broke down why, you just choose not to believe it because you are arguing from emotion and we are arguing from fact based logic.
Jul. 18, 2019 at 5:52 p.m.
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Not bad, but you still have overpaid Marner by ~2Mil.

Kanes 2nd Contract, Aho's signing, Brayden Points estimated AAV and not buying any UFA years from Marner. Add that no one actually offersheeting marner and rumors he wants to be a leaf...

6.5Mil/2, 7.5/3 8.5Mil/5, 9Mil/6, 9.5Mil/7


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Haha, I Agree. I need to log off. I see too bad takes of people using emotion and fairy dust to will something into existance. With no Salary cap or a soft cap i would give Marner the sun and the moon. But we need to use facts and the landscape of the NHL to make good decisions.


Quoting: Bcarlo25
bahahahahhahahahhaha. this is so out of touch with reality.


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why wouldn't he have signed this by now were he willing. he wants matthews money. He'll probably get close to it. What do you mean facts? This is all kind of what we think will happen right? Marner has lead the leafs in points the last two years. there's a fact for you. He's going to get paid, and it isn't going to be a laughable 6x2.


I know right ....

McAvoy is getting $11,000,000 x 5 as well because he's Boston's best d-man and hasn't signed yet.
Carlo is getting $8,000,000 x 5. because he's their best shut down guy ... why can't everyone just see the truth?
Jul. 18, 2019 at 5:54 p.m.
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I know right ....

McAvoy is getting $11,000,000 x 5 as well because he's Boston's best d-man and hasn't signed yet.
Carlo is getting $8,000,000 x 5. because he's their best shut down guy ... why can't everyone just see the truth?


Find a d man coming off a 10 point season getting 8.

Find any player in nhl history that signed a deal off his entry level contract that takes him to ufa without buying out any ufa years.

Find a group 1 rfa that got 11 million.

Thanks for trying. Please try harder next time.
Jul. 18, 2019 at 7:07 p.m.
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Find a d man coming off a 10 point season getting 8.

Find any player in nhl history that signed a deal off his entry level contract that takes him to ufa without buying out any ufa years.

Find a group 1 rfa that got 11 million.

Thanks for trying. Please try harder next time.


Exactly ... that's what your suggesting for Marner isn't it?

You proved my point to perfection.
Jul. 18, 2019 at 7:24 p.m.
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Exactly ... that's what your suggesting for Marner isn't it?

You proved my point to perfection.


Is Marner group 1? No. Did Marner have only 10 points last year? No
Jul. 18, 2019 at 10:20 p.m.
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Is Marner group 1? No. Did Marner have only 10 points last year? No


Your welcome.

I hope you learned your lesson.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:30 a.m.
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Your welcome.

I hope you learned your lesson.


What’s the lesson? That drewjenks doesn’t understand the league?
Jul. 19, 2019 at 6:46 p.m.
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What’s the lesson? That drewjenks doesn’t understand the league?


MY BAD YO ...

Boston players will sign super cheap and Marner will be the highest paid winger in NHL history (you'tr right).

And shortly after you can start saying he's overrated and his a bad contract.

Congrats on understanding the league.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 6:49 p.m.
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MY BAD YO ...

Boston players will sign super cheap and Marner will be the highest paid winger in NHL history (you'tr right).

And shortly after you can start saying he's overrated and his a bad contract.

Congrats on understanding the league.


Do you not understand the difference between a group 1 rfa who reportedly wants a bridge deal and Mitch Marner?
Jul. 19, 2019 at 8:30 p.m.
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Do you not understand the difference between a group 1 rfa who reportedly wants a bridge deal and Mitch Marner?


Year ... offer-sheets.

How is Marner's $12,500,000 offer sheet working out?
How much was Aho's offer sheet?

They're both RFA's dude .. not much leverage either way.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:44 p.m.
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Year ... offer-sheets.

How is Marner's $12,500,000 offer sheet working out?
How much was Aho's offer sheet?

They're both RFA's dude .. not much leverage either way.


Then why did Matthews get what he got?
Jul. 20, 2019 at 4:05 a.m.
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Then why did Matthews get what he got?


Because Matthews has scored more goals per minute than anyone in the NHL since he entered the league.

1. Matthews
2. Ovechkin

Large Gap
3. The rest

He is also about 5th in the NHL in points per minute since entering the league.

To put that in perspective ... since Marner entered the league on the same day ... he's ranks roughly:

110th in goals per minute
60th in points per minute
35th in assists per minute

And he's a winger ... you really think these guys earned the same contract?
 
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