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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 17, 2019
Published: Jul. 17, 2019
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$83,534,699$0$0-$2,034,699

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 4
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LD
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.
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ahahahahahahahaha ohhhh Leafs fans, you better throw Morgan Rielly into that deal as well and some good picks
Jul. 17, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.
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Might as well just do: Marner and Kapanen for PLD Werenski Jones and Bjorkstrand while you are at it
Jul. 17, 2019 at 1:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
ahahahahahahahaha ohhhh Leafs fans, you better throw Morgan Rielly into that deal as well and some good picks


Quoting: feds91stammer
Might as well just do: Marner and Kapanen for PLD Werenski Jones and Bjorkstrand while you are at it


The overrating of Seth Jones on this site is out of control...

Side note, I think the trade is undervalued. If we could pry jones from the Jackets it would be a 1 for 1 with marner. I believe that is a bit of an overpay by the leafs but RHD do carry more trade value than wingers and the jackets would probably need a bigger overpay to consider it.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
The overrating of Seth Jones on this site is out of control...

Side note, I think the trade is undervalued. If we could pry jones from the Jackets it would be a 1 for 1 with marner. I believe that is a bit of an overpay by the leafs but RHD do carry more trade value than wingers and the jackets would probably need a bigger overpay to consider it.


And who are all the RHD you would prefer over Jones???
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:11 p.m.
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Further to your point, what D in the whole league is better than Jones, maybe 2 guys!
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
And who are all the RHD you would prefer over Jones???


In no particular order:

OEL
Klingberg
Pietrangelo
Doughty
Karlsson
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:18 p.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
And who are all the RHD you would prefer over Jones???


Contracts and age aside... burns, Trouba, Carlson, Letang and Petro come to mind.

Contract and age included... Mcavoy, Parayko, Klingberg and Pesce. (Pesce is based solely on team needs, I think jones is better than him but pesce is signed longer cheaper and is great defensively)

This is just off the top of my head. Would love to have jones but if you think you are getting Rielly marner and some firsts for jones all I can do is laugh.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:20 p.m.
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Further to your point, what D in the whole league is better than Jones, maybe 2 guys!


Really??? Not even close...when you start dropping LHD into the equation he falls down the list quite a bit.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Contracts and age aside... burns, Trouba, Carlson, Letang and Petro come to mind.

Contract and age included... Mcavoy, Parayko, Klingberg and Pesce. (Pesce is based solely on team needs, I think jones is better than him but pesce is signed longer cheaper and is great defensively)

This is just off the top of my head. Would love to have jones but if you think you are getting Rielly marner and some firsts for jones all I can do is laugh.


I never said the last part...

My response is solely that the original trade is bad.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:30 p.m.
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I will take Jones over everone on both your lists Jamiepoopoo and fruit loops
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:34 p.m.
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Can’t help but wonder if some of these posters have watched Jones play. Letang over Jones. Hahahahahaha. Ouch.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Further to your point, what D in the whole league is better than Jones, maybe 2 guys!


8 guys according to the Norris voting last season. That being said, trophies don’t take into account trade value and guys like Jones and Klingberg aren’t going anywhere because of the value they bring to their team for what they cost. If Columbus ever trades Jones, it’ll be in the last year of his deal if he wants too much to stay.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
I never said the last part...

My response is solely that the original trade is bad.


I agree with that, sorry about the confusion that was @Copenhagen, my bad.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.
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Can’t help but wonder if some of these posters have watched Jones play. Letang over Jones. Hahahahahaha. Ouch.


Like I said age and contracts aside yes... letang. I also did watch both play... funny that the Norris votes seem to agree with me... guess they never watched either...
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Like I said age and contracts aside yes... letang. I also did watch both play... funny that the Norris votes seem to agree with me... guess they never watched either...


The Norris trophy has been a joke for years. That’s your justification? Ouch. Have a good one.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Loops
In no particular order:

OEL
Klingberg
Pietrangelo
Doughty
Karlsson



You’re aware OEL isn’t a righty ?
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:12 p.m.
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The Norris trophy has been a joke for years. That’s your justification? Ouch. Have a good one.


Points, play... Stanley Cup rings? What justification are you looking for? I like Letang. Think he has been solid for years and competes as much as anyone in the league. If you don’t like Letang that’s fine.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Points, play... Stanley Cup rings? What justification are you looking for? I like Letang. Think he has been solid for years and competes as much as anyone in the league. If you don’t like Letang that’s fine.


I happen to think Letang is very good actually. Jones on the other hand is a much better player regardless of age and contract. It’s generally accepted that Jones is the 5/6 ranked defender in the entire league. Letang sits between 15 and 20. Do some research yourself and see what the experts think. You may be surprised
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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I happen to think Letang is very good actually. Jones on the other hand is a much better player regardless of age and contract. It’s generally accepted that Jones is the 5/6 ranked defender in the entire league. Letang sits between 15 and 20. Do some research yourself and see what the experts think. You may be surprised


I think that’s your issue right there... you can’t research personal opinion.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I think that’s your issue right there... you can’t research personal opinion.[/quote

Like I said have a good day.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Pmwalker
You’re aware OEL isn’t a righty ?


The point remains there are a number of other options I would rather have. When it comes to discussion, you're always going to be biased towards your own team. I think people rave about Jones as a top tier dman more or less because of his contract. In three years when he signs for 9-10M he's going to be considered overpaid and CBJ fans are going to dread it.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 3:37 p.m.
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Quoting: JayTea
8 guys according to the Norris voting last season. That being said, trophies don’t take into account trade value and guys like Jones and Klingberg aren’t going anywhere because of the value they bring to their team for what they cost. If Columbus ever trades Jones, it’ll be in the last year of his deal if he wants too much to stay.


I think you make a really important point. And for anyone who has spent anytime in a locker room it won't be lost on them. The value that a player brings to their team and organization, which is measured in many different ways, is much different than trade value. It's not even specific to hockey really when it comes to trading. I'm pretty sure everyone has something that money couldn't buy from them.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 4:01 p.m.
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I will take Jones over everone on both your lists Jamiepoopoo and fruit loops


That’s fine. You like jones and you can’t argue opinion. When you start throwing in names of top level defenders at some point you can only go on personal preference.
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Jul. 17, 2019 at 4:02 p.m.
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This has sparked some great conversation! Marner for Jones 1 for 1 (approx.) would be reasonably fair. I think Jones is one of the best Defencemen in the league, just as Marner is one of the best wingers in the league, and probably the best passer in the league.
Jul. 17, 2019 at 4:38 p.m.
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This has sparked some great conversation! Marner for Jones 1 for 1 (approx.) would be reasonably fair. I think Jones is one of the best Defencemen in the league, just as Marner is one of the best wingers in the league, and probably the best passer in the league.


I think you're right. If a trade like this ever went down, it would probably be close to 1 for 1. Marner might have an edge on Jones in terms of talent/impact (and that could be debated forever), but Jones' contract kills that advantage considering what it might take to sign Marner.
 
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