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Opening Night Roster with Marner getting Matthews Money

Created by: CheechYou
Initial Creation Date: Jul 18, 2019
Published: Jul 18, 2019 at 5:09
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell5$11,634,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Chmelevski, Alexander
  2. Sund, Tony
SJS
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$83,127,032$0$265,000-$1,627,032
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$11,634,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
SJS
Chmelevski, Alexander
$778,333
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
SJS
Sund, Tony
$842,500
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1

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Jul 18, 2019 at 5:12
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William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand.

Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...

iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66

So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:13
#2
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I let Marner wait till December if that's how much it's gonna cost us. He shouldn't be getting paid more than Tavares.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:15
#3
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand.

Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...

iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66

So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.


I dont recall Tavares, JVR playing with Nylander and I also dont recall AM34 and Mitch playing together for an extended period of time.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:16
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Quoting: TheNewAge
I dont recall Tavares, JVR playing with Nylander and I also dont recall AM34 and Mitch playing together for an extended period of time.


They didn’t play extended time but Willy is far more capable of finding success with any linemates compared to Marner. Marner is a one tricky pony who needs elite centres such as Tavares and Kadri to carry him.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:17
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Quoting: TheNewAge
I let Marner wait till December if that's how much it's gonna cost us. He shouldn't be getting paid more than Tavares.


He shouldn’t even be getting more than Nylander SMH.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:18
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
They didn’t play extended time but Willy is far more capable of finding success with any linemates compared to Marner. Marner is a one tricky pony who needs elite centres such as Tavares and Kadri to carry him.


Kadri is elite?
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Jul 18, 2019 at 5:20
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Quoting: TheNewAge
Kadri is elite?


He made Mitch Marner look good and that’s not an easy thing to do.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:22
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
He made Mitch Marner look good and that’s not an easy thing to do.


whoooooose MANG IS THIS
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:22
#9
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
He made Mitch Marner look good and that’s not an easy thing to do.


I just took in you're that account from Twitter, makes sense now
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:24
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Quoting: glc_0908
whoooooose MANG IS THIS


Quoting: TheNewAge
I just took in you're that account from Twitter, makes sense now


https://mobile.twitter.com/rahef_issa Please give me a follow!
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Jul 18, 2019 at 5:52
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One think all the players who played with Marner have in common, they all set career highs. Bozak (55 pts), Kadri (32 goals), JVR (36 goals), Hyman (21 goals), Tavares (47 goals). But yes believe Rahef's garbage that Marner = Sheary. LOL
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:56
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand.

Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...

iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66

So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.


and then there was last year. where Nylander came in and played 57 games and got 27 points, while Marner played 82 and scored 94. Which is where your argument died.
Jul 18, 2019 at 5:59
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
One think all the players who played with Marner have in common, they all set career highs. Bozak (55 pts), Kadri (32 goals), JVR (36 goals), Hyman (21 goals), Tavares (47 goals). But yes believe Rahef's garbage that Marner = Sheary. LOL


Garbage? I just gave you legit facts consisting of advanced statistics and possession metrics to prove my point while you are just using the eye test! If you don’t want to learn the truth, then that’s on you.
Jul 18, 2019 at 6:02
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Quoting: pharrow
and then there was last year. where Nylander came in and played 57 games and got 27 points, while Marner played 82 and scored 94. Which is where your argument died.


I disagree. In ice hockey, nothing beats advanced stats and possession metrics because they provide straight facts. I am someone who’s played competitive ice hockey for a decade, but even I know that. Factors such as the eye test and basic stats for example points per game are not an accurate way to assess talent and skill. Marner away from Tavares is a complete waste of space on the ice. He doesn’t do anything, the exact same kind of player as Sheary who waits for elite centres to hold their hand.
Jul 18, 2019 at 7:06
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Quoting: TheNewAge
I let Marner wait till December if that's how much it's gonna cost us. He shouldn't be getting paid more than Tavares.


If Marner sits it will be for the whole year, as the leafs can't afford the pro-rated salary hit.
Jul 18, 2019 at 7:10
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
I disagree. In ice hockey, nothing beats advanced stats and possession metrics because they provide straight facts. I am someone who’s played competitive ice hockey for a decade, but even I know that. Factors such as the eye test and basic stats for example points per game are not an accurate way to assess talent and skill. Marner away from Tavares is a complete waste of space on the ice. He doesn’t do anything, the exact same kind of player as Sheary who waits for elite centres to hold their hand.


yeah none of that is true.
Corsi while being a useful stat means nothing compared to how many goals are going in vs how many are going against while a player is on the ice. Anyone can play keep away with the puck, it doesn't mean they can score.
Jul 18, 2019 at 7:11
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Ain't gonna happen
Jul 19, 2019 at 12:33
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why not trade Muzzin for a defenceman / defencemen who can take up 2 roster spots? Say trade him for 2 players who are on ELCs and NHL ready to get more cap space
Jul 19, 2019 at 2:48
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Realistically:

Set Marner an opening day deadline on a fair 10x6ish deal. If he doesn't take it, you trade him. And make sure he knows he's gone if he doesn't take it.

Zero chance I let him sit out a day of this upcoming season.
 
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