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Hes going to get paid

Created by: Captain_Koivu_
Initial Creation Date: Jul 18, 2019
Published: Jul 18, 2019 at 6:47
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Plus they need him to make the playoffs.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell4$11,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Girardi, Dan1$700,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
  3. 2021 6th round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
BUF
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
CAR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$82,436,366$0$102,500-$936,366
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
CAR
Foegele, Warren
$746,667
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$11,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Harpur, Ben
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
Girardi, Dan
$700,000
RD
UFA
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2

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Jul 18, 2019 at 6:52
#1
Joined: Feb 2017
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You should be a GM
Jul 18, 2019 at 6:52
#2
Banned
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Can we just stop thinking Mitch Marner should get similar money to Auston Matthews? This is getting beyond ridiculous. Ever since entering the league, no player has scored more even strength goals than Matthews, Marner is absolutely not in the same category in terms of individual ability.

William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand. Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...
iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66
So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.

It is utterly mind-bottling that people think Marner is comparable to Nylander- one drives play at an elite level while the other just waits around for elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares to carry him. I don’t see Marner being anywhere near Nylander’s level. Marner has been sheltered and protected by elite play driving linemates whereas Nylander’s results encompass all manner of adversity and babcock lunacy.
Honestly Mitch Marner in reality is literally the same type of player as Conor Sheary, an average or below average player in terms of skill that relies on elite centres to carry them.
Jul 18, 2019 at 6:55
#3
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,829
Likes: 642
He deserves to be paid, not overpaid like this
Jul 18, 2019 at 6:55
#4
Jangle29
Joined: Apr 2016
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Likes: 797
This is a top 5 worst contract given to Marner on this sites existence
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Jul 18, 2019 at 7:01
#5
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 16,080
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Not for that term
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Jul 18, 2019 at 7:08
#6
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 562
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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey
Can we just stop thinking Mitch Marner should get similar money to Auston Matthews? This is getting beyond ridiculous. Ever since entering the league, no player has scored more even strength goals than Matthews, Marner is absolutely not in the same category in terms of individual ability.

William Nylander is a better individual player than Mitch Marner. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each star forward on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. Just stop for a moment and take a look at Marner’s possession metrics and advanced stats: https://imgur.com/gallery/nVdJHWP
https://imgur.com/a/j04H3vO He literally gets carried by Tavares and is only effective when JT is holding his hand. Across the past 3 seasons at 5v5 in comparison to Marner, Nylander has a higher...
iCF60: 15.03 vs 14.44
iFF60: 11.33 vs 10.64
iSF60: 7.94 vs 7.37
ixG60: 0.78 vs 0.66
So literally the only A3Z metric that rates Marner higher than Nylander across the past 3 years is...nothing.

It is utterly mind-bottling that people think Marner is comparable to Nylander- one drives play at an elite level while the other just waits around for elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares to carry him. I don’t see Marner being anywhere near Nylander’s level. Marner has been sheltered and protected by elite play driving linemates whereas Nylander’s results encompass all manner of adversity and babcock lunacy.
Honestly Mitch Marner in reality is literally the same type of player as Conor Sheary, an average or below average player in terms of skill that relies on elite centres to carry them.


If you were to switch the names around in your story it would sound more believable and actually be accurate.
Jul 18, 2019 at 7:17
#7
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 632
Likes: 49
He's going to get paid just not that much, max 10.4 million. When no one from around the league offers him Matthews/McDavid money plus those draft picks he'll smarten up and sign. His numbers were also inflated playing on a line with Tavares. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player, but he puts up maximum 80 points on a line with Kadri I think, which is 6.5-8 million salary range. And Tavares has benefited from playing with him as well, they have good chemistry.
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Jul 18, 2019 at 7:18
#8
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Posts: 212
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It's funny how Leafs fans don't want to pay Marner but had no problem with the other two getting big contracts.
Why is it Tavares had his best offensive years playing with Marner, yet you say Marner benefitted from the centres.
If they loose Marner they will be taking more than a few steps back. He's been their highest scorer for what, two years running. I guess he's been benefiting a lot from those centres.
I'd say they are benefiting from playing with Marner.
Jul 18, 2019 at 7:48
#9
Leafs GM v4
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Jul 18, 2019 at 7:56
#10
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Quoting: Just_a_Hockey_Fan_1
It's funny how Leafs fans don't want to pay Marner but had no problem with the other two getting big contracts.
Why is it Tavares had his best offensive years playing with Marner, yet you say Marner benefitted from the centres.
If they loose Marner they will be taking more than a few steps back. He's been their highest scorer for what, two years running. I guess he's been benefiting a lot from those centres.
I'd say they are benefiting from playing with Marner.


Matthews is a centre and puts up goals, which historically warrants more money. He also was a few points shy of Marner in 17-18 but played about 20 games less.

Kadri put up 30+ goals in 16-17 without Marner and the following year Kadri put up the same amount of goals with Marner. Can’t really say he drove his success. Kadri had Komarov and Brown during his first 30 goal season.
Jul 18, 2019 at 11:57
#11
Jangle29
Joined: Apr 2016
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Quoting: Just_a_Hockey_Fan_1
It's funny how Leafs fans don't want to pay Marner but had no problem with the other two getting big contracts.
Why is it Tavares had his best offensive years playing with Marner, yet you say Marner benefitted from the centres.
If they loose Marner they will be taking more than a few steps back. He's been their highest scorer for what, two years running. I guess he's been benefiting a lot from those centres.
I'd say they are benefiting from playing with Marner.


And you would be exactly 100% wrong. It's easy to say things about teams when you have no clue what you are actually saying.
The other two got exactly what they should have for what they are.
The real question is "Why do so many non Leaf fans think they can glance at year end point totals and deem what players should get what money after not actualky watching them play and ignoring the other 35 000 stats which show the truth".
Jul 19, 2019 at 2:44
#12
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 428
Likes: 99
If he will only take 11x4 he can be shown the door.

Not enough for Kapanen too.
Jul 19, 2019 at 5:56
#13
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Habs4life
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 344
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Have you seen Foegele play?????

If anything Carolina would say its to much for him and say no.
 
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