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SJ - TOR Blockbuster Trade - Marner for Labanc Package

Created by: CheechYou
Initial Creation Date: Jul 19, 2019
Published: Jul 19, 2019 at 4:36
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
For TOR:

Labanc is basically a poor man's Marner and only going to get better. He's only on the best deal in the NHL (maybe in history https://www.fearthefin.com/2019/7/12/20691551/2019-nhl-free-agency-kevin-labanc-san-jose-sharks-doug-wilson-salary-cap).

Chmelevksy is in SJ's top-6 and a young 20yr old prospect with tremendous upside. Arguably SJ's best prospect.

Gregor is a young prospect with 3rd line center upside. This trade makes sense because SJ has a logjam of young LHed centers poised to claim roster spots, and most of them are Russian, so Gregor's the odd Canadien dman out.

Dillon is a supremely underrated defenseman going back the other way. His deal expires next season, so the young guns can take over his spot since he's set to get paid, and TOR can use their extra cash saved with this Marner deal to make a mid-season trade with MINN for Spurgeon and re-sign him long-term.

Dell is an upgrade over Hutchinson as an expiring UFA backup for Freddie. He's poised for a bounce-back season in his 20-odd games for TOR. Mostly a cap-casualty for SJ.
Trades
TOR
  1. Labanc, Kevin
  2. Chmelevski, Alexander
  3. Gregor, Noah
  4. Dillon, Brenden
  5. Dell, Aaron
  6. 2021 1st round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Marner, Mitchell [RFA Rights]
TOR
  1. Spurgeon, Jared ($1,556,250 retained)
Additional Details:
30% salary retained
MIN
  1. Sandin, Rasmus
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
SJS
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,672,615$0$247,500$1,827,385
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Chmelevski, Alexander
$778,333
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
SJS
Gregor, Noah
$768,333
C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
SJS
Dell, Aaron
$1,900,000
G
UFA - 1
SJS
Dillon, Brenden
$1,635,000
LD
UFA - 1
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$3,631,250
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1

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Jul 19, 2019 at 4:40
#1
Joined: May 2019
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Dubas couldn't make the Marner deal better, so he made the Marlies better.
Jul 19, 2019 at 4:49
#2
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Dell was worse than Sparks last year. Think the Leafs prefer the four first rounders.
Jul 19, 2019 at 4:49
#3
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It's just poor value for Toronto. If Marner is moved, an impact, young, #1 D would likely be in the package. If not, then a young forward of high quality +.

Don't see a deal to be made between these two teams, but you should be including your best trade chips. If I don't see Meier/Couture it's an easy no.
Jul 19, 2019 at 4:49
#4
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Labanc is not a poor man's Marner.

They're just in different tiers of players. Do the above package with Meier instead of Labanc and it's more reasonable.

Also a prospect with third line upside should carry little to no value
Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50
#5
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Also hard pass on the Minni trade
Jul 19, 2019 at 5:15
#6
? San Jose Sharks ?
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Quoting: BCAPP
Labanc is not a poor man's Marner.

They're just in different tiers of players. Do the above package with Meier instead of Labanc and it's more reasonable.

Also a prospect with third line upside should carry little to no value


That’s a worse trade for San Jose. I’d rather Meier than marner in the end. Meier has a different game, continues improving and has size, additionally he seems committed to winning and signing fair deals, not 10+ mil deal that isn’t worth marner in the end I think unless he consistently puts up 80-100+
Jul 19, 2019 at 5:16
#7
Billy739
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,271
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Lebanc ,Chemelvski and the 1st are the only base pieces with any value in a deal for an Elite top line Center Prospect .

if you were trading for a lesser player maybe dillon ,dell and gregor have such low value in this situation its not worth it as you'd get more return for them all individually .

Lebanc , Chemelvski , Dahlen , 2021 1st , 2022 1st and a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if Marner signs over 5 years

SJS gets an Elite Center Prospect giving up middle 6 players, 2 first's and a 2nd unless Marner gets a max term deal then an additional 1st .

TML has all the leverage , they'll trade Nylander at a loss long before they give away Marner
i think bringing Kerfoot in was part of the transition and that Nylander will be gone by season opener .
if i was SJS that's who i'd be targeting as Nylander fits your immediate needs or much less cost
Jul 19, 2019 at 9:11
#8
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Quoting: Cmin
That’s a worse trade for San Jose. I’d rather Meier than marner in the end. Meier has a different game, continues improving and has size, additionally he seems committed to winning and signing fair deals, not 10+ mil deal that isn’t worth marner in the end I think unless he consistently puts up 80-100+


Do you realize how rare it is for players to put up consistently 80-100 points? Here is a list of players who have put up more than 80 points 5 or more times in the last 10 years (http://hkref.com/tiny/bbtTz)

Crosby (7), Ovechkin (5), Stamkos (5). End list. (Giroux, Kane, Kessel and Tavares have done it 4 times).

I doubt he consistently puts up 80-100 points because almost nobody does.
Jul 19, 2019 at 9:13
#9
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Quoting: Billy739
Lebanc ,Chemelvski and the 1st are the only base pieces with any value in a deal for an Elite top line Center Prospect .

if you were trading for a lesser player maybe dillon ,dell and gregor have such low value in this situation its not worth it as you'd get more return for them all individually .

Lebanc , Chemelvski , Dahlen , 2021 1st , 2022 1st and a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if Marner signs over 5 years

SJS gets an Elite Center Prospect giving up middle 6 players, 2 first's and a 2nd unless Marner gets a max term deal then an additional 1st .

TML has all the leverage , they'll trade Nylander at a loss long before they give away Marner
i think bringing Kerfoot in was part of the transition and that Nylander will be gone by season opener .
if i was SJS that's who i'd be targeting as Nylander fits your immediate needs or much less cost


Who is an elite center prospect? Marner is not a center or a prospect.

And Kerfoot, a center, has nothing to do with Nylander, a winger...Kerfoot is Kadri's replacement, which, again, has nothing to do with Nylander.
 
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