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(EDM/CGY) - Lucic (12.5% retained) & conditional 2020 3rd for Neal

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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:04 p.m.
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Trade confirmed: Calgary Flames - Edmonton Oilers
Trade Details
Calgary Flames Acquire:
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Milan Lucic ($750,000 retained - 12.5%) · $5,250,000$5,250,000$0
2021 3rd round pick (EDM - #84 - Kirill Kirsanov) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: Pick is transferred if James Neal scores 21 goals or more AND Milan Lucic scores 10 or fewer goals than Neal in the 2019-20 season.

Result: Due to a shortened season, NHL ruled that Edmonton will transfer a 3rd round pick in either 2020 or 2021. Edmonton decided to transfer the 2021 3rd round pick.
Sum: $5,250,000$5,250,000$0
Change: -$500,000
Change: -$500,000
Change: -$69,000,000
Edmonton Oilers Acquire:
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James Neal · $5,750,000$5,750,000$5,750,000
Sum: $5,750,000$5,750,000$5,750,000
Change: +$500,000
Change: +$500,000
Change: +$5,750,000
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:05 p.m.
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@Banks @Jarvis any information on the conditions?
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:08 p.m.
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
@Banks @Jarvis any information on the conditions?


If Neal scores 21 goals, AND Lucic scores 10 less, Calgary receives the pick
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:09 p.m.
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Edmonton moves the worst contract in the league. For me it's a win for them
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:12 p.m.
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I thought CGY is Stanley contender......

Second trade here on CapFriendly in a row that should be forgotten as soon as possible,....
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:12 p.m.
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What a horrible trade for Calgary
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:13 p.m.
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I think Neal has a better chance of bouncing back, at least to the 20 goal range.
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:19 p.m.
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LuCiC pRoViDeS pRoTeCtIoN fOr GaUdReAu
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:23 p.m.
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i hope ur hungry now
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Quoting: toque
If Neal scores 21 goals, AND Lucic scores 10 less, Calgary receives the pick


So if Neal has a bounce back year, and lucic doesn't,pick is extanged
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:29 p.m.
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I don't hate this for Calgary as much as many others here. A bunch of the stats nerds are divided on the players themselves but many see Lucic as the one more likely to bounce back. Add in the possible pick and the fact that he is cheaper and who knows.

On the flipside if McDavid can make Neal a player then lookout.
Overall it's not an awful trade by any stretch of the imagination
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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i hope ur hungry now
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I don't hate this for Calgary as much as many others here. A bunch of the stats nerds are divided on the players themselves but many see Lucic as the one more likely to bounce back. Add in the possible pick and the fact that he is cheaper and who knows.

On the flipside if McDavid can make Neal a player then lookout.
Overall it's not an awful trade by any stretch of the imagination


If luchic can't have a good year on the wing of Jesus, he won't have a good year on Petersons line
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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i hope ur hungry now
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If luchic can't have a good year on the wing of Jesus, he won't have a good year on Petersons line


Idk I'm stupid
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:46 p.m.
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I thought CGY is Stanley contender......

Second trade here on CapFriendly in a row that should be forgotten as soon as possible,....


Calgary needed to get rid of Neal and shed some salary. What makes this deal a loss is that it seems lucic still has his nmc intact and needs to be protected.... very bad for the upcoming expansion draft.
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:49 p.m.
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CGY won't make the playoffs next season. They've not improved in any facet of the game this summer and several of their divisional opponents have improved. They also way overachieved last year as everyone had career seasons. That won't happen again. I don't understand for one second why they made this trade. Neal had a terrible season but could certainly bounce back next season, especially while playing on McDavid's and/or Draisaitl's line and PP. He scored 20+ goals in 9 straight seasons until last year. Lucic has been on a drastic downward spiral since arriving in EDM, scoring a pathetic 6 goals last year. He's basically worthless at this point. EDM wins this trade by a mile and then some.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 9:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Danny272
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Lucic isn't providing protection for Gaudreau. That's never gonna happen. Lucic is a 4th line player. They'll never be on the ice together. Never.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 10:40 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 19, 2019 at 10:47 p.m.
Quoting: toque
If Neal scores 21 goals, AND Lucic scores 10 less, Calgary receives the pick


You mean Calgary doesn't get the pick then?

Edit: Never mind, i forgot that Neal plays for Edmonton and Lucic for Calgary now lol.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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I am iffy on this trade.

Does saving 500k really worth this?
Neal much more likely to bounce back over Lucic should be a factor in the decision for this too.
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 10:57 p.m.
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accidental comment
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:00 p.m.
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Lucic isn't providing protection for Gaudreau. That's never gonna happen. Lucic is a 4th line player. They'll never be on the ice together. Never.


Quoting: Danny272
LuCiC pRoViDeS pRoTeCtIoN fOr GaUdReAu


Help
Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:08 p.m.
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If Neal plays with McDavid he'll hit 30 + goals, pick him up in your NHL Fantasy Pool Draft.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:12 p.m.
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to be honest, more trades need convoluted conditional picks.

like you get a 7th if the player you traded has a relative corsi above like 5 or something.
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:15 p.m.
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i hope ur hungry now
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Quoting: Brian2016
Lucic isn't providing protection for Gaudreau. That's never gonna happen. Lucic is a 4th line player. They'll never be on the ice together. Never.


When someone talks like that it's sarcasm
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Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:17 p.m.
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I am iffy on this trade.

Does saving 500k really worth this?
Neal much more likely to bounce back over Lucic should be a factor in the decision for this too.


Yeah I don't know what Treliving was thinking here.
Maybe protection for Gaudreau? But how much did he protect McDavid? Not much...as I remember it.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:20 p.m.
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Edmonton wins this HUGE! Unless there is something about Neal that we dont know (chronic injury, cancer in the room), getting rid of Lucic is a plus, and while Neal may never get 30 again- 20 is very doable, especially if he gets top 6 minutes.
Jul. 19, 2019 at 11:20 p.m.
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I am iffy on this trade.

Does saving 500k really worth this?
Neal much more likely to bounce back over Lucic should be a factor in the decision for this too.


This trade isn't nearly as bad for Calgary as everyone thinks/says it is. Everybody has to step back and look at the math.

Calgary and Edmonton are not New York or Los Angeles, or Toronto. Neal's contract was/is all salary, equally spread. Thus the Flames owed Neal $23 million over the next four years. In contrast, Lucic's contract was front-loaded and there was a $3 million signing bonus that Edmonton just paid, so Lucic is owed a total of $16 million by Calgary for the same period. Now subtract the retention ($3 million), and Calgary saves $10 million in real cash by this trade. Now $10 million to us sitting in the comfort of our armchairs at home may not seem important, but to the Calgary GM it means that he can offer a free agent next summer a $2.5 million signing bonus in every year on a four-year contract -- money he didn't have before, but which may mean the difference between being able to sign Matt Duchene or Artemi Panarin and being able to sign Ryan Dzingel. So although Edmonton may be the winner on the ice, Calgary is the winner at the bank.
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