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Holland and Yzerman walk into a bar

Created by: feds91stammer
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2019
Published: Jul. 22, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
EDM
  1. Helm, Darren ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (WSH)
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  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
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2020
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23$81,500,000$80,426,999$0$1,750,000$1,073,001
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$2,150,000$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$2,835,000$2,835,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
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NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 22, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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i could see this deal happening. I think helm is very undervalued but that guys speed is insane. Im not saying you do it, but pair him with mcdavid and those guys are flying by people.
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Jul. 22, 2019 at 11:55 a.m.
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IMO there is only one trade that can happen for Puljujarvi and its for another teams highly touted project prospect that hasn't panned out yet. That way it gives them a second chance at a star prospect.

Trading him for Helm and a 2nd essentially doesn't cover their ass in case Poolparty does finally develop into that 20-30 goal guy. I know everyone is down on him right now but the kid is still young and can very much pull it together and soon.

Chicago obviously thought so with Nylander who was taken a couple spots later in that same draft and has proven even less than Puljujarvi has.
Jul. 22, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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IMO there is only one trade that can happen for Puljujarvi and its for another teams highly touted project prospect that hasn't panned out yet. That way it gives them a second chance at a star prospect.

Trading him for Helm and a 2nd essentially doesn't cover their ass in case Poolparty does finally develop into that 20-30 goal guy. I know everyone is down on him right now but the kid is still young and can very much pull it together and soon.

Chicago obviously thought so with Nylander who was taken a couple spots later in that same draft and has proven even less than Puljujarvi has.


I get what you are saying but remember Yakupov went for a 3rd and a guy that couldn't even hack it in the AHL

Also Holland is not a good GM
Jul. 22, 2019 at 12:01 p.m.
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I get what you are saying but remember Yakupov went for a 3rd and a guy that couldn't even hack it in the AHL

Also Holland is not a good GM


Oh this is just my opinion. Who knows what will actually happen.
Jul. 22, 2019 at 12:02 p.m.
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Oh this is just my opinion. Who knows what will actually happen.


You made some good points.
Jul. 22, 2019 at 12:42 p.m.
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Jurco shouldn't be in the NHL let alone a first liner with mcdavid
Jul. 22, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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Jurco shouldn't be in the NHL let alone a first liner with mcdavid


This is EDM so you could argue this really isn't the NHL
Jul. 22, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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Holland doesn't really need to trade Puljujarvi right away, although his trade value is likely to plummet even further at some point. The biggest challenge to a summer trade is the salary cap, since the Oilers are close enough to the cap that they would have to move out salary in order to bring in a player. Once Holland can use the waiver wire to either shed contracts or bury cap hits in the AHL he will have a bit more room to work with.

Having stated the above, I don't think Darren Helm fits the needs in Edmonton. Holland's priority at this point is probably an experienced centreman (preferably right-handed) to play on the third line. Realistically, the best case scenario for player and team is Pulijujarvi signing and reporting to camp. Given that Chiasson, Gagner, and Kassian are the players above him in the depth chart, there is a very good chance that Jesse would be playing top-six minutes before the end of the season, and/or his trade request would either be withdrawn or honored.
Jul. 22, 2019 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
I get what you are saying but remember Yakupov went for a 3rd and a guy that couldn't even hack it in the AHL

Also Holland is not a good GM


The guy just traded milan lucic and his 10,000 lb anchor of a contract for a player who may bounce back and be top 6, or who can easily be bought out. I am not saying he's sam pollock, but he isn't peter chiarelli either. he's a good GM
Jul. 22, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.
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The guy just traded milan lucic and his 10,000 lb anchor of a contract for a player who may bounce back and be top 6, or who can easily be bought out. I am not saying he's sam pollock, but he isn't peter chiarelli either. he's a good GM


He isn't though.
Jul. 22, 2019 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Oh this is just my opinion. Who knows what will actually happen.


Totally agree with what you're saying here.
Jul. 23, 2019 at 11:39 a.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
He isn't though.


great substantive response. you've totally changed my mind. Granted my bar for threshold for a good GM is low, being and oilers fan and all, but c'mon.
Jul. 23, 2019 at 11:48 a.m.
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great substantive response. you've totally changed my mind. Granted my bar for threshold for a good GM is low, being and oilers fan and all, but c'mon.


Buddy just look at the current state of DET. I have watched Holland flounder for 10+ years now. Him being better than Chia is like being the tallest midget.
Jul. 23, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.
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Buddy just look at the current state of DET. I have watched Holland flounder for 10+ years now. Him being better than Chia is like being the tallest midget.


Sure, but how much of that was direction from the Mr Illitch to keep the playoff streak going? Was 2 decades plus of success not enough? Is the team not in a better spot now than it was 3 years ago?

You may think he's not a top 10 GM which is fine, but he isn't the worst in the league by a long shot. He isn't even close to the worst in canada. Bad GMs tend to get fired within 5 years, they may be rehired, but usually they don't last 5 years in any market. how long was he in detroit?
Jul. 23, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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Sure, but how much of that was direction from the Mr Illitch to keep the playoff streak going? Was 2 decades plus of success not enough? Is the team not in a better spot now than it was 3 years ago?

You may think he's not a top 10 GM which is fine, but he isn't the worst in the league by a long shot. He isn't even close to the worst in canada. Bad GMs tend to get fired within 5 years, they may be rehired, but usually they don't last 5 years in any market. how long was he in detroit?


Just ask any DET fan about Holland...
 
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