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Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
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Or just sign marner to a reasonable contract and keep kappy and a good prospect in scott
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:49 p.m.
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Why trade Kapanen? He's 23yo on a very team friendly deal, and that trade would certainly make the leafs worse in the short term for a 1st and a prospect. No dice.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:49 p.m.
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Or just sign marner to a reasonable contract and keep kappy and a good prospect in scott


Bracco is ready to play in the NHL. Marner deserves at least as much as Tavares in my opinion.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:50 p.m.
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Quoting: rootferdukes
Why trade Kapanen? He's 23yo on a very team friendly deal, and that trade would certainly make the leafs worse in the short term for a 1st and a prospect. No dice.


Who would you want to moove? If it's not Kapanen, you have to try to move Ceci and let a spot to Sandin.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:52 p.m.
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Marner doesn't want 8 years, Pretty much reported that he's seeking the exact same deal as Auston Matthews.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakethesnake97
Bracco is ready to play in the NHL. Marner deserves at least as much as Tavares in my opinion.


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Who would you want to moove? If it's not Kapanen, you have to try to move Ceci and let a spot to Sandin.


Bracco looks good offensively on the pp but is completely lost defensively and will get torn up at the higher level. Not worth bringing him up and ruining him now when he can excel and work on his game in the ahl. And sandin is basically the same. You have to learn from other teams and not bring up prospects to early like Edmonton does. And marner had 1 90 point season after the 2nd leading goal scorer in the last 5 years started centring him. A lot of people overlook how good jt is. He’ll only get a bridge and will probably be between 8-9.5
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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Marner doesn't want 8 years, Pretty much reported that he's seeking the exact same deal as Auston Matthews.

Which he won’t get
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Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakethesnake97
Bracco is ready to play in the NHL. Marner deserves at least as much as Tavares in my opinion.


RFA vs UFA is a different story. Tavares holds more cards and is more valuable to get that. That being said a 11Mil over 8 is only a 1M overpay IMO. better than a lot of other 11/5s people keep throwing out.

Bracco got kinda shelled in his own end at 5v5 and was outshot a lot throughout the year and Scott Wheeler is not thinking he is ready yet and he watches more games than anyone... so i sort of trust him. But If we assume bRACCO IS READY, the 3rd line is Moore, Kerfoot, Kapanen, its better constructed than a Moore, Kerfoot, Bracco. Kerfoot is a passer and never shoots even when he should. Bracco is the same. Where as Kapanen is a shoot first even if the shot is stupid... so i would rather have a great passer, grinder and shooter than 2 passers and a grinder

I personally would rather Keep Kapanen. And Bracco has this mystery what-if potential. You could trade him now for more. Because once he plays in the NHL he is now a known quantity, and thats less exciting than the mystery box
Jul. 24, 2019 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakethesnake97
Who would you want to moove? If it's not Kapanen, you have to try to move Ceci and let a spot to Sandin.


I see no problem with what you've proposed (moving Ceci). Sandin would have to be tremendously bad in order to surpass Ceci as worst Leafs D, and I don't think that's terribly likely.
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Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Bracco looks good offensively on the pp but is completely lost defensively and will get torn up at the higher level. Not worth bringing him up and ruining him now when he can excel and work on his game in the ahl. And sandin is basically the same. You have to learn from other teams and not bring up prospects to early like Edmonton does. And marner had 1 90 point season after the 2nd leading goal scorer in the last 5 years started centring him. A lot of people overlook how good jt is. He’ll only get a bridge and will probably be between 8-9.5


I agree with everything you said, with Marner and JT. A bridge I also think is likely. But the $$ I disagree with

I compare it to what Kucherov took. 4.5Mil or something.. Marner needs a big pay cut compared to 8-9.5 on a bridge. Its like 6Mil over 2, 7.5 over 3 and non bridge 9mil over 6. All rough estimates
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Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Chiller
I agree with everything you said, with Marner and JT. A bridge I also think is likely. But the $$ I disagree with

I compare it to what Kucherov took. 4.5Mil or something.. Marner needs a big pay cut compared to 8-9.5 on a bridge. Its like 6Mil over 2, 7.5 over 3 and non bridge 9mil over 6. All rough estimates


I really hope that’s the case! I chose 9 because I see so many people saying either 11-12 or around 7 so I just went kinda in the middle
Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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Bracco is ready to play in the NHL. Marner deserves at least as much as Tavares in my opinion.


Sure give Marner the same as Tavares...on his contract coming of ELC. I believe it was 5.5 million x 5 years. Prorate it up for cap hit %

If you are suggesting comparing Marner to Tavares' UFA contract thats silly. Tavares had the ability to negotiate with any team in the league and could sign with them without them having to give up FOUR FIRST ROUNDERS for anything over 10.5 million AAV. Tavares reportedly turned down 13-14 million per year from SJS.

Tavares is also a centre and was a top 5 goal scorer and top 10 point scorer in the league in the 5 years before joining the leafs.
(a) centres are more valuable
(b) goals are more valuable
(c) until Marner was connected with said superstar he was a good winger, a great second line winger, and okay first line winger (22 goals and 69 points). But he was no superstar.
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Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:12 p.m.
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Trading Kapanen isn't a bad idea but only if you need the space or its part of a deal to upgrade the defence. Either way I doubt it happens until the season starts when teams struggle for scoring and would buy high on him. Kapanen is the most easily replaceable player on the team, moving him makes so much sense if its the right deal. This one I don't think is the right deal.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:22 p.m.
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Sure give Marner the same as Tavares...on his contract coming of ELC. I believe it was 5.5 million x 5 years. Prorate it up for cap hit %

If you are suggesting comparing Marner to Tavares' UFA contract thats silly. Tavares had the ability to negotiate with any team in the league and could sign with them without them having to give up FOUR FIRST ROUNDERS for anything over 10.5 million AAV. Tavares reportedly turned down 13-14 million per year from SJS.

Tavares is also a centre and was a top 5 goal scorer and top 10 point scorer in the league in the 5 years before joining the leafs.
(a) centres are more valuable
(b) goals are more valuable
(c) until Marner was connected with said superstar he was a good winger, a great second line winger, and okay first line winger (22 goals and 69 points). But he was no superstar.


He was 20 y/o when he did 69 pts and he will be a top 10 point scorer for the next 7-8 years. I agree with you that goals are more valuable, but he plays on the first line, on the PK, on the PP (everywhere). I personally think that he will sign more than 10 million per year.

38,33,28,37 and last year : 47 goals. Marner is a big part of his success too. Marner is more creative than JT in the offensive zone.
Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:25 p.m.
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Sure give Marner the same as Tavares...on his contract coming of ELC. I believe it was 5.5 million x 5 years. Prorate it up for cap hit %

If you are suggesting comparing Marner to Tavares' UFA contract thats silly. Tavares had the ability to negotiate with any team in the league and could sign with them without them having to give up FOUR FIRST ROUNDERS for anything over 10.5 million AAV. Tavares reportedly turned down 13-14 million per year from SJS.

Tavares is also a centre and was a top 5 goal scorer and top 10 point scorer in the league in the 5 years before joining the leafs.
(a) centres are more valuable
(b) goals are more valuable
(c) until Marner was connected with said superstar he was a good winger, a great second line winger, and okay first line winger (22 goals and 69 points). But he was no superstar.


And I'm not saying that I don't like JT, he is a hell of a player and an All-Star. I'm just saying that Marner deserves these $$$
Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.
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He was 20 y/o when he did 69 pts and he will be a top 10 point scorer for the next 7-8 years. I agree with you that goals are more valuable, but he plays on the first line, on the PK, on the PP (everywhere). I personally think that he will sign more than 10 million per year.

38,33,28,37 and last year : 47 goals. Marner is a big part of his success too. Marner is more creative than JT in the offensive zone.


Here are the top goal scorers over the 6 years BEFORE Tavares joined the Leafs, ie Marner had NOTHING to do with this

1 Alex Ovechkin 268
2 Tyler Seguin 189
3 Sidney Crosby 188
4 John Tavares 188
5 Patrick Kane 186
6 Jamie Benn 184
7 Joe Pavelski 183
8 Vladimir Tarasenko 178
9 Brad Marchand 177
10 Max Pacioretty 173

http://hkref.com/tiny/RkvQi
(PS Ovechkin is really special, and Pacioretty was probably underappreciated)

Same 6 years points:
1 Sidney Crosby 507
2 Patrick Kane 459
3 Alex Ovechkin 453
4 Jamie Benn 436
5 Claude Giroux 434
6 Nicklas Backstrom 432
7 John Tavares 419
8 Tyler Seguin 416
9 Phil Kessel 414
10 Blake Wheeler 414

(Side note, Kessel is underappreciated as a playmaker, and really is a stud, he just can't lead a team by himself, he is one of the best second fiddles though)

So again BEFORE becoming a Leaf and playing with Marner and his help, he was 4th in goal scoring and 7th in points over the last 6 years.

Where did he rank last year in goals and points? 3rd in goals and 16th in points.

Scoring was up last year, Marner was part of him scoring more goals, but frankly scoring was just up which was a large part of it to. When compared to the league his production last year was actually pretty similar to where has has always been.
 
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