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Redoing bad moves Rutherford has done since 2017

Created by: mhockey91
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 24, 2019
Published: Jul. 24, 2019
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Didn’t include brassard trade because at the time, it looked like a great deal for pit. On paper we acquired our best 3C since staal.

I didn’t remove the kessel Trade because I think kessel was as good as gone regardless.

I didn’t do anything crazy, just to show how bad some of the moves GMJR has made. This team is such a contender and much better than the current roaster both now, and in the future
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    Don’t know if Pens we’re gonna draft Kostin but for arguments sake let’s keep him here
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    1. Johnson, Jack
    2. Tanev, Brandon
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      Would’ve been a tough one but I think Pens would’ve been better off letting hornqvist walk as a UFA
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      1. Biega, Alex
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      Would’ve been a much better trade option. Sure Pearson had a rough year, but he’s a young top 9 forward who could easily score 20+ goals. No need to take back a stinker contract like Gubranson.
      5.
      VAN
        So much better than tanev. This guy could score 20 on pit. Also plays a physical game. Tanev signing was so brutal.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.
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        I am from Winnipeg, and have watched Tanev grow into the player he is. I think you will fall in love with Tanev's game pretty quick. I also don't think he has reached his potential yet.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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        Quoting: Cory
        I am from Winnipeg, and have watched Tanev grow into the player he is. I think you will fall in love with Tanev's game pretty quick. I also don't think he has reached his potential yet.


        27 years old and hasn't reached his potential yet. Big if true.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:52 p.m.
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        Quoting: feds91stammer
        27 years old and hasn't reached his potential yet. Big if true.


        Do you just troll everyone? All i see is you comment on everyone's post negatively.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:53 p.m.
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        Do you just troll everyone? All i see is you comment on everyone's post negatively.


        Maybe people should post higher quality comments.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:54 p.m.
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        Quoting: Cory
        I am from Winnipeg, and have watched Tanev grow into the player he is. I think you will fall in love with Tanev's game pretty quick. I also don't think he has reached his potential yet.


        I kind of agree with this sentiment. Haven't watched him as much as you have but from what i saw he was always pretty darn good for what he should asked to do. I think Tanev suffered from lack of exposure and being stuck behind a pretty talented group in WPG.

        He won't be a 30 goal scorer or anything but he could easily be an Andrew Shaw type calibre player. Perennial 40 pt kind of player that is also the glue guy. Like a solid 3rd line guy on a good team.

        Its no guarantee and its slightly more expensive than it should have been but that's not to say he couldn't elevate into a player worthy of 3.5M pretty easily.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 1:58 p.m.
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        Quoting: feds91stammer
        27 years old and hasn't reached his potential yet. Big if true.


        Tanev is a late bloomer. He could easily produce higher point totals than he has already despite his age being past the point of usually hitting your potential or not. One doesn't really have to go hand in hand with the other. It usually does but Tanev isn't a "usual" case necessarily.

        I also think you have to put "potential" into context. reaching potential doesn't mean 50 goal scorer.... just means he may have more to give. Which isn't that much of a stretch at 27 years old.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:01 p.m.
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        Quoting: feds91stammer
        Maybe people should post higher quality comments.


        okay, you know everything about everyone then i guess. At least judging from the stuff i see you post.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:04 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        I kind of agree with this sentiment. Haven't watched him as much as you have but from what i saw he was always pretty darn good for what he should asked to do. I think Tanev suffered from lack of exposure and being stuck behind a pretty talented group in WPG.

        He won't be a 30 goal scorer or anything but he could easily be an Andrew Shaw type calibre player. Perennial 40 pt kind of player that is also the glue guy. Like a solid 3rd line guy on a good team.

        Its no guarantee and its slightly more expensive than it should have been but that's not to say he couldn't elevate into a player worthy of 3.5M pretty easily.


        Thanks for backing me up bud, but no need. This guy comments on almost every post lately basically calling people out.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:07 p.m.
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        Thanks for backing me up bud, but no need. This guy comments on almost every post lately basically calling people out.


        Lol wasn't really doing to "back you up" but okay! laugh
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        Lol wasn't really doing to "back you up" but okay! laugh


        Well, sorry then, thanks for thinking along the same lines as me then.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:13 p.m.
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        Well, sorry then, thanks for thinking along the same lines as me then.


        Lol APOLOGY ACCEPTED!!!!!!!! tears of joy
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:16 p.m.
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        Quoting: Cory
        I am from Winnipeg, and have watched Tanev grow into the player he is. I think you will fall in love with Tanev's game pretty quick. I also don't think he has reached his potential yet.


        Praying he’s gonna be a late bloomer like Dupuis. Really hope you’re right
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:17 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        I kind of agree with this sentiment. Haven't watched him as much as you have but from what i saw he was always pretty darn good for what he should asked to do. I think Tanev suffered from lack of exposure and being stuck behind a pretty talented group in WPG.

        He won't be a 30 goal scorer or anything but he could easily be an Andrew Shaw type calibre player. Perennial 40 pt kind of player that is also the glue guy. Like a solid 3rd line guy on a good team.

        Its no guarantee and its slightly more expensive than it should have been but that's not to say he couldn't elevate into a player worthy of 3.5M pretty easily.


        If he turns into a Shaw like player I’d be thrilled lol. I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:19 p.m.
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        If he turns into a Shaw like player I’d be thrilled lol. I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong


        He's good, the money might be high, but in 2 years if the cap goes up it won't look so bad. He is fast, he can kill penalties, he blocks shots, he can score, he can pass. Like FC said, he just didn't have room to move up in the Jets line.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:20 p.m.
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        If he turns into a Shaw like player I’d be thrilled lol. I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong


        Well before this seasons career high of 47 points, how far is Tanev from Shaw really? I mean Tanev just came off a 29 point season and before this year Shaw's career best was 39. Is a 10 point increase really that big of a stretch?
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:23 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        Well before this seasons career high of 47 points, how far is Tanev from Shaw really? I mean Tanev just came off a 29 point season and before this year Shaw's career best was 39. Is a 10 point increase really that big of a stretch?


        If tanev can be a 40 point player I’ll be very happy. I just don’t see him getting a lot of opportunities in pit. He’ll probably suffer from the same problems in Winnipeg
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: Cory
        He's good, the money might be high, but in 2 years if the cap goes up it won't look so bad. He is fast, he can kill penalties, he blocks shots, he can score, he can pass. Like FC said, he just didn't have room to move up in the Jets line.


        With pens current depth chart though he’ll have a hard time sliding up pens lineup as well.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        Tanev is a late bloomer. He could easily produce higher point totals than he has already despite his age being past the point of usually hitting your potential or not. One doesn't really have to go hand in hand with the other. It usually does but Tanev isn't a "usual" case necessarily.

        I also think you have to put "potential" into context. reaching potential doesn't mean 50 goal scorer.... just means he may have more to give. Which isn't that much of a stretch at 27 years old.


        So here is where I find this to be flawed.

        Say he gets a bit bigger of a role and gets 17 mins a night and puts up 37 points.

        On the surface it looks like production was increased by 27.5% but in this scenario points per 60 went from 1.54 to 1.59
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:35 p.m.
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        So here is where I find this to be flawed.

        Say he gets a bit bigger of a role and gets 17 mins a night and puts up 37 points.

        On the surface it looks like production was increased by 27.5% but in this scenario points per 60 went from 1.54 to 1.59


        Who said anything about 17 mins a night? We're talking about this player being given better minutes if anything, not more. Regardless, you're changing the subject line here. The problem was with potential being reached or not. Not P/60 increasing and what not.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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        Quoting: mhockey91
        With pens current depth chart though he’ll have a hard time sliding up pens lineup as well.


        Injuries, player droughts, being placed next to Crosby for a while to shake things up, etc. If everyone stays healthy and scores exactly as they are expected to, no. Then again, when does that actually happen?

        Dupuis and Kunitz are good examples though, although those would be the much higher end of what Tanev has to offer. But the idea is there.
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 3:03 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        Who said anything about 17 mins a night? We're talking about this player being given better minutes if anything, not more. Regardless, you're changing the subject line here. The problem was with potential being reached or not. Not P/60 increasing and what not.


        I did. But this is how it happens. Guys get a bigger role and put up more totals but not at a higher rate and its made out like they got better.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 3:03 p.m.
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        Quoting: F50marco
        Injuries, player droughts, being placed next to Crosby for a while to shake things up, etc. If everyone stays healthy and scores exactly as they are expected to, no. Then again, when does that actually happen?

        Dupuis and Kunitz are good examples though, although those would be the much higher end of what Tanev has to offer. But the idea is there.


        Kunitz hit 60 points before he was traded to PIT. Dupuis hit 48 points before he was in PIT.
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.
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        I did. But this is how it happens. Guys get a bigger role and put up more totals but not at a higher rate and its made out like they got better.


        And what does that have to do with reaching his potential? We were talking about him reaching his potential, whatever level that is.

        .....or should i change the subject also? Yeah well Purple monkey dishwasher. What do you say to that, huh? Sticking Out Tongue
        Jul. 24, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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        Quoting: feds91stammer
        Kunitz hit 60 points before he was traded to PIT. Dupuis hit 48 points before he was in PIT.


        Uughghhhhhh give it a break man:

        "Dupuis and Kunitz are good examples though, although those would be the much higher end of what Tanev has to offer. But the idea is there."
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        Jul. 24, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.
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        And what does that have to do with reaching his potential? We were talking about him reaching his potential, whatever level that is.

        .....or should i change the subject also? Yeah well Purple monkey dishwasher. What do you say to that, huh? Sticking Out Tongue


        I am saying he already reached his potential...
         
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