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Created by: Poehling
Initial Creation Date: Jul 24, 2019
Published: Jul 24, 2019 at 8:50
Team: 2019-20 St. Louis Blues
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Barbashev, Ivan2$2,400,000
Edmundson, Joel2$3,250,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2021
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2022
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,329,594$12,928$732,500$170,406
Left WingCenterRight Wing
STL
Schwartz, Jaden
$5,350,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Schenn, Brayden
$5,125,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
STL
Tarasenko, Vladimir
$7,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
STL
Perron, David
$4,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 4
STL
Thomas, Robert
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 2
STL
Fabbri, Robby
$900,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
STL
Bozak, Tyler
$5,000,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Sundqvist, Oskar
$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
STL
Steen, Alexander
$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
$2,400,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
STL
Blais, Samuel
$850,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
STL
Bouwmeester, Jay
$3,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Pietrangelo, Alex
$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Binnington, Jordan
$4,400,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Dunn, Vince
$722,500
LD/RD
RFA - 1
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
STL
Allen, Jake
$4,350,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Edmundson, Joel
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
STL
Bortuzzo, Robert
$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
STL
Gunnarsson, Carl
$1,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Sanford, Zachary
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 2
STL
Schmaltz, Jordan
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul 24, 2019 at 8:51
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Who would you say is better, Marner or Tarasenko?
Jul 24, 2019 at 8:53
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Who would you say is better, Marner or Tarasenko?


Marner is a playmaker, Tarasenko a sniper. Do to is age, I'll take Marner before Tarasenko, but for ONE playoffs run, I'll take Tarasenko over Marner
Jul 24, 2019 at 8:55
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: Poehling
Marner is a playmaker, Tarasenko a sniper. Do to is age, I'll take Marner before Tarasenko, but for ONE playoffs run, I'll take Tarasenko over Marner


Would you have had this opinion in December, when the Blues were playing lesser to the standard they finished the season?
Jul 24, 2019 at 8:58
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Sam
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Who would you say is better, Marner or Tarasenko?


Marner, but it’s closer than some might argue. I think Marner would have similar point totals to Tarasenko in a much lower event system like the Blues
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Jul 24, 2019 at 8:59
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Would you have had this opinion in December, when the Blues were playing lesser to the standard they finished the season?


Marner over Tarasenko
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:38
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Quoting: Poehling
Marner over Tarasenko


Quoting: STLBlues17
Marner, but it’s closer than some might argue. I think Marner would have similar point totals to Tarasenko in a much lower event system like the Blues


Quoting: Wqrrior
Would you have had this opinion in December, when the Blues were playing lesser to the standard they finished the season?


Quoting: Poehling
Marner is a playmaker, Tarasenko a sniper. Do to is age, I'll take Marner before Tarasenko, but for ONE playoffs run, I'll take Tarasenko over Marner


Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Who would you say is better, Marner or Tarasenko?


I'm so glad this conversation came up because imho Tarasenko and Gaudreau are the best comparables to Marner for RFA wingers off ELC who have already signed in this CBA (Rantanen will be the best comparable but he hasnt signed yet)

The following is for the year before they signed their contract (2019 for Marner, 2016 for Gaudreau, and 2015 for Tarasenko)
Player G Pts Goals ranking for year Pts ranking for year Highest scoring player and their points
Marner 26 94 69th 11th Kucherov/128
Gaudreau 30 78 19th 6th Crosby/100
Tarasenko 37 73 5th 10th Kane/106

So he scored more points by a decent chunk and less goals. BUT scoring is up this year. When you compare him to the year he is in he comes across lower in place in the league than both of them in points and in a different stratosphere for goals.

Also check out who their centres were those years. No one in the stratosphere of Tavares.

Anyway they signed for
Gaudreau 6.75 for 6 years or 9.25% of the cap
Tarasenko 7.5 for 8 years or 10.27% of the cap

If we convert to the current cap we get...
7.5 million for 6 years
8.37 million for 8 years.

Marner is going to get an excellent contract compared to his peers no matter what he signs as he has apparently already turned down 10 million for 8 years...
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Jul 26, 2019 at 8:46
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Marner, but it’s closer than some might argue. I think Marner would have similar point totals to Tarasenko in a much lower event system like the Blues


I can’t believe you actually think Marner is a little better than Tarasenko. Most Blues fans who I’ve spoken to think the opposite because Vlad has won more cups!
Jul 26, 2019 at 11:40
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I can’t believe you actually think Marner is a little better than Tarasenko. Most Blues fans who I’ve spoken to think the opposite because Vlad has won more cups!


Dude, why subtlety bash us Blues fans like that??? There are some knowledgeable Blues guys on this site and @STLBlues17 is one of them. Marner's tool box is built for the game Toronto plays. Tarasenko came up and was just a sniper originally. He's worked very hard on his defense, and it has shown. He approached complete player this past year, but he still has his old tendency to float sometimes. Berube has and will continue to knock that out of him. The kid in Toronto has mad skills, but he's going to have to work on his defensive game too if he wants to be in Mark Stone territory.
Jul 27, 2019 at 7:02
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Quoting: rja40
Dude, why subtlety bash us Blues fans like that??? There are some knowledgeable Blues guys on this site and @STLBlues17 is one of them. Marner's tool box is built for the game Toronto plays. Tarasenko came up and was just a sniper originally. He's worked very hard on his defense, and it has shown. He approached complete player this past year, but he still has his old tendency to float sometimes. Berube has and will continue to knock that out of him. The kid in Toronto has mad skills, but he's going to have to work on his defensive game too if he wants to be in Mark Stone territory.


Thanks for responding, I am not bashing Blues fans. I am sure you and @STLBlues17 are both very knowledgeable, that’s why I said most and not all. I agree, Marner still has lots to learn before he establishes himself as the complete player Stone is.
Jul 27, 2019 at 7:03
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Quoting: Poehling
Marner over Tarasenko


Tarasenko is better than Marner in possession metrics and advanced stats.
Jul 27, 2019 at 7:04
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Quoting: rja40
Dude, why subtlety bash us Blues fans like that??? There are some knowledgeable Blues guys on this site and @STLBlues17 is one of them. Marner's tool box is built for the game Toronto plays. Tarasenko came up and was just a sniper originally. He's worked very hard on his defense, and it has shown. He approached complete player this past year, but he still has his old tendency to float sometimes. Berube has and will continue to knock that out of him. The kid in Toronto has mad skills, but he's going to have to work on his defensive game too if he wants to be in Mark Stone territory.


Quoting: Poehling
Marner over Tarasenko


Quoting: STLBlues17
Marner, but it’s closer than some might argue. I think Marner would have similar point totals to Tarasenko in a much lower event system like the Blues


Quoting: Wqrrior
Would you have had this opinion in December, when the Blues were playing lesser to the standard they finished the season?


Who would you say is the better at their best, Letang or Byfuglien?
Jul 27, 2019 at 6:54
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Who would you say is the better at their best, Letang or Byfuglien?


Letang
Jul 27, 2019 at 6:55
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Quoting: Poehling
Letang


I agree, but why do you think so?
Jul 28, 2019 at 3:42
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Who would you say is the better at their best, Letang or Byfuglien?


Probably Letang, especially pre-cancer since you said "at (his) best." Complete defenseman. Buffy is strong but not complete.
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