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Gardiner-Puljujarvi - 4th edition

Created by: natze
Initial Creation Date: Jul 24, 2019
Published: Jul 24, 2019 at 9:56
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Adjusted salaries; Mete departure;
As usual, I tried to be realistic (by personal projected based analysis).
IMO, Mete will never be the reliable 4D he supposed to be. Too weak on offense and defense and not competitive w/ Kulak. But he's a good trait bait.
(Wouldn't be angry if I'm proved wrong in the future!! :-))
This roster is far away from being perfect. But being unable to get Marner or Konecny this is the stastistically most probable modified roster, imo.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse2$2,300,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Gardiner, Jake5$5,900,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
EDM
  1. Mete, Victor
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $350,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
  • Jordan Weal: $325,000 ($1,400,000)
  • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
ANA
SJS
WPG
MTL
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,532,143$0$3,350,000$1,967,857
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Puljujärvi, Jesse
$2,300,000
RW
RFA
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Gardiner, Jake
$5,900,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
$1,750,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:01
#1
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Given what Edmonton already has on the blueline, I don't see Holland being interested in Mete, probably would sooner have a young forward.

Now, having said that, if you went PoolBoy and say Russel for Mete and a bone, that might work. They need to clear some money off the blueline, and Montréal has cap room..... and Russel would look pretty good as a 4-6 option.

Food for thought

And Jesus! $2.3 million lol? Nooooooooo. You get him signed on the cheap...... $1 million tops. Hasn't done a bloody thing to remotely think that's a good contract!
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:02
#2
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I really like the thought of Puljujarvi with Koko and Lehko on a line, all fins. But think they would me much wiser to trade a player like Armia over Mete as they have many options at RW. Edmonton is lacking in defensive puck possession forwards, a lot of flash but terrible defensive. So Armia is a good fit there.
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:03
#3
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Are you kidding ? Mete is excellent defensively, and he's 21 yo. How many Dman played 2 seasons top pairing at 19-20 years old ? If that was the prize for Gardiner, MB wouldnt have sign Chiarot. Forget about Gardiner. Mete will be and he is actually a solid top4 Dman. EDM take this in a heartbeat, MTL will never to this. Maybe Armia for JP, not Mete lol.
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:04
#4
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Quoting: sabatage
I really like the thought of Puljujarvi with Koko and Lehko on a line, all fins. But think they would me much wiser to trade a player like Armia over Mete as they have many options at RW,


Someone who get it ! thanks
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:08
#5
LEAFSandBRUINSfan
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Quoting: Poehling
Are you kidding ? Mete is excellent defensively, and he's 21 yo. How many Dman played 2 seasons top pairing at 19-20 years old ? If that was the prize for Gardiner, MB wouldnt have sign Chiarot. Forget about Gardiner. Mete will be and he is actually a solid top4 Dman. EDM take this in a heartbeat, MTL will never to this. Maybe Armia for JP, not Mete lol.


Mete is overrated
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:09
#6
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from everything being said it sounds like he wants to stay in Toronto and the leafs plan on bringing him back and he hasn't signed anywhere else for that reason.
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:11
#7
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Quoting: Poehling
Are you kidding ? Mete is excellent defensively, and he's 21 yo. How many Dman played 2 seasons top pairing at 19-20 years old ? If that was the prize for Gardiner, MB wouldnt have sign Chiarot. Forget about Gardiner. Mete will be and he is actually a solid top4 Dman. EDM take this in a heartbeat, MTL will never to this. Maybe Armia for JP, not Mete lol.


Guys got the same amount of nhl goals as probably everyone on this website. Not saying goals determines how good a dman is but that’s just awful considering he’s entering his 3rd year in the nhl
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:12
#8
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Quoting: hockeyfan14_
from everything being said it sounds like he wants to stay in Toronto and the leafs plan on bringing him back and he hasn't signed anywhere else for that reason.

There’s rumours but won’t happen. Same people saying nyi were signing marner and mtl was getting laine
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:14
#9
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
There’s rumours but won’t happen. Same people saying nyi were signing marner and mtl was getting laine


yeah but we keep hearing more and more that Gardiner wants to stay and he's waiting for leafs to figure out LTIR and Marner so I think theres some weight to the rumours. Also teams haven't been willing to give gardiner term and money and it's been said that he would be willing to return for less money like 4 million or so for longer term
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:16
#10
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Quoting: hockeyfan14_
yeah but we keep hearing more and more that Gardiner wants to stay and he's waiting for leafs to figure out LTIR and Marner so I think theres some weight to the rumours. Also teams haven't been willing to give gardiner term and money and it's been said that he would be willing to return for less money like 4 million or so for longer term


Teams are scared about his injuries and I’m sure he’s considering it because he’ll have a chance at a cup considering all the teams are so close
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:18
#11
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Teams are scared about his injuries and I’m sure he’s considering it because he’ll have a chance at a cup considering all the teams are so close


with the leafs adding Tyson Barrie it helps bulk up their d core taking pressure off gardiner to possibly return with load management and time with the leafs medical staff and time to get his health back and ultimately compete with a great team for a cup I could see it happening
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:30
#12
Frankyhabs
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OMG habs fans I'm loosing fate in you... Mete for pool party really ?
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:32
#13
Frankyhabs
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Mete is overrated


Explain me how is he overrated.
People thinks he worth Puljurjarvi IMO that is Underrating Mete ...
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:42
#14
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Mete is worth more then Pool Party, just that simple. He has played more significant minutes, has looked better during those minutes and has progressed at a steady rate with more to come.

Pool party just had hip surgery and is forcing the team to trade him, you dont give up a lot of value for that player.
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:46
#15
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IMO the Habs shouldn't be spending to the cap with long term players that don't really want (Gardiner).
Lots of teams have cap issues. Surely the Habs can pick up a one year rental to play LHD.
What's with all this love for JP? He can barely hold a NHL job with the sad sack Oilers.
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Jul 24, 2019 at 10:49
#16
Frankyhabs
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Darnell Nurse 2015-2016 (20 years old turn 21 in feb) 69 games 3 goals 7 assists for 10 pts -13
Victor Mete 2018-2019 (20 years old turn 21 in Jun) 71 games 13 assist for 13 pts +17 ***playing top pair minutes vs other teams best lines.
I am not saying Mete is better than Nurse or Nurse is better than Mete. Just saying D takes more time to developp and Mete could very well have a boost of confidence when he will scores. So no way we trade him now.
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:54
#17
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Quoting: Frankyhabs
Explain me how is he overrated.
People thinks he worth Puljurjarvi IMO that is Underrating Mete ...


Because most people I see here think he’s gonna be the next best thing since sliced bread
Jul 24, 2019 at 10:58
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Mete is overrated


extremely overrated. insert charts lol: https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATRJune2019v2/SKATRSolo

he could develop into a top 4 D man and probably will, but at this point hes a 5 or 6
Jul 24, 2019 at 11:04
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Quoting: mhockey91
extremely overrated. insert charts lol: https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATRJune2019v2/SKATRSolo

he could develop into a top 4 D man and probably will, but at this point hes a 5 or 6


Wut is that
Jul 24, 2019 at 11:08
#20
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
Wut is that


just some advance stats charts. throw in metes name under defenders and compare his advance stats with other "top 4 D men". Brett kulak for example, is much better than mete at the current moment
Jul 24, 2019 at 11:11
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Quoting: mhockey91
just some advance stats charts. throw in metes name under defenders and compare his advance stats with other "top 4 D men". Brett kulak for example, is much better than mete at the current moment


Yes Kulak is much better than Mete at the current moment, Kulak is underrated, Mete isn’t overrated
Jul 24, 2019 at 11:11
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Quoting: mhockey91
just some advance stats charts. throw in metes name under defenders and compare his advance stats with other "top 4 D men". Brett kulak for example, is much better than mete at the current moment


It popped us as zaitzev at first so I thought u were trolling me??
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Jul 24, 2019 at 11:19
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Quoting: Snipshow4416
It popped us as zaitzev at first so I thought u were trolling me??


no you gotta change it lol
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Jul 24, 2019 at 11:20
#24
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Quoting: Poehling
Yes Kulak is much better than Mete at the current moment, Kulak is underrated, Mete isn’t overrated

saying hes currently a top 4 D is over rating him. he'll probably get there. maybe even this season, but as of right now hes a 5 or 6 like I said. Habs wouldn't make this trade, but its annoying hearing all these habs fans praise Mete as the second coming of Doug Harvey
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Jul 25, 2019 at 4:40
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Roster projection is based on STATISTICS.
Compared to Mete, Gard. provides far better OD+DD numbers and strenghtens defensive mobility (zone entries, points, transition play).
Pulj. is a low risk signing with potential upside (heard of repeated hip problems, but that's not confirmed yet). All trades are financial worst case scenarios. So they're definitely compatible w/ restrictions regarding salary cap issues.

If MTL wants to compete next season, they have to mature and - by given cap situation - make a gamble (Pulj.) that may pan out. If it doesn't it's not crucial in the long run and they can turn to other options (Evans, Suzuki, Caufield). But hey! - I'm far from being Dr. Know-all wink
 
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