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is RNH a failure of a player

Created by: CapFriendlysFinest
Initial Creation Date: Jul 25, 2019
Published: Jul 25 at 2:13 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
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2011-2012 EDM 62 18 34 52 -2 16 3 23 0 0 2 0 134 13.4 37.52
2012-2013 EDM 40 4 20 24 3 8 2 11 0 0 0 0 78 5.1 41.02
2013-2014 EDM 80 19 37 56 -12 26 6 20 0 0 4 1 178 10.7 42.42
2014-2015 EDM 76 24 32 56 -12 25 2 14 0 1 2 1 189 12.7 45.72
2015-2016 EDM 55 12 22 34 -9 18 4 11 0 0 1 0 108 11.1 44.84
2016-2017 EDM 82 18 25 43 -10 29 5 11 0 0 4 1 200 9 43.85
2017-2018 EDM 62 24 24 48 10 20 4 9 2 3 2 1 151 15.9 48.76
2018-2019 EDM 82 28 41 69 -13 26 8 26 1 3 3 0 208 13.5 45.12
Career - 539 147 235 382 -45 168 34 125 3 7 18 4 1,246 11.8 44

Just looking at Ryan's stats, for a first overall pick, they are REALLY under whelming. Last year was the first year he broke 60 points and finally showed flashes of why he was dafted first overall. BUTTTTTTTTTTT he was on Mcdavids wing nearly all season. So the question is, is RHN a failure as a number one overall pick?
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Puljujärvi, Jesse1$1,000,000
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EDM
  1. Roslovic, Jack
WPG
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse
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EDM
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
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  1. Benning, Matthew ($900,000 retained)
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EDM
EDM
PHI
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EDM
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EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2022
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EDM
EDM
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EDM
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24$81,500,000$79,777,831$0$2,745,000$1,722,169
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EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
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Roslovic, Jack
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Benson, Tyler
$808,333
LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 2
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
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Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
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Nurse, Darnell
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
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Bouchard, Evan
$894,167
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RFA - 3
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Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
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NTC
UFA - 1
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Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
RD
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UFA - 2
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Bear, Ethan
$720,000
RD
RFA - 1
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Persson, Joel
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RFA - 1
EDM
Gagner, Sam
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UFA - 1
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Kassian, Zack
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Jul 25 at 2:15
#1
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He's right there with the best in his draft year and has done so on a terrible team for most of his career. I think a failure is far from accurate. I am not sure you can really say anything negative about him.
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Jul 25 at 2:17
#2
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FYI he only spent about 1/3 of his 5v5 ice time with McDavid.

Other than that no he is not a failure. Not every top pick is going to be a generational player.
Jul 25 at 2:17
#3
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He hasnt lived up to being a number 1 overall but that doesnt make him a failure of a player.
Jul 25 at 2:18
#4
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Given that they could have had Zibanejad, Scheifele or Couturier I can see why you'd feel that way, but I don't think it's fair to say he's a failure because he is still really good.
Jul 25 at 2:20
#5
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Who would have guessed 58th overall would be the best player from that draft year
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Jul 25 at 2:20
#6
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Right now you can say he wasn't the best player of the draft. However, I'd say he would still be a top 10 player so I wouldn't say he's a failure
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Jul 25 at 2:22
#7
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@CapFriendlysFinest "BUTTTTTTTTTTT he was on Mcdavids wing nearly all season."

Not true at all.

They were on the ice together for just 376:03 at 5v5 last season, less than 1/3 of RNH's 1163:30 total.
Jul 25 at 2:27
#8
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I shouldnt have used the word failure cause hes obvs not! I was trying to get at the point that he has just been REALLY underwhelming since coming out of the gate.

Has it been the teams fault or has the player not lived up to the hype?
Jul 25 at 2:27
#9
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Not a failure. He's played on **** teams for his entire NHL career and still only 3 players from his draft have more total points than he does - and 2 of them were missed by every single team: Kucherov was drafted late in the 2nd round and Gaudreau in the 4th.

I don't think he's a failure and I don't think Edmonton made a mistake drafting him 1st overall.
Jul 25 at 2:27
#10
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Quoting: CD282
@CapFriendlysFinest "BUTTTTTTTTTTT he was on Mcdavids wing nearly all season."

Not true at all.

They were on the ice together for just 376:03 at 5v5 last season, less than 1/3 of RNH's 1163:30 total.


Thanks for pulling the data!
Jul 25 at 2:27
#11
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He's not a bad player at all. He's just not a "First overall pick" type player. When you picture a first overall pick, you picture a player who dominates or controls the game. RNH isn't that, but he's a solid two player who puts up very respectable numbers. No way he's a failure though.

Now Yakupov found his way out of the league. THAT'S a failure. RNH is a top 6 player on pretty much any team.
Jul 25 at 2:28
#12
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Who would have guessed 58th overall would be the best player from that draft year


The Caps had the two picks that were immediately before Kucherov and Palat were taken in that draft. I know we got a Cup and they haven't yet, but still, think how many more we could've got?
Jul 25 at 2:37
#13
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Not every top pick is going to be a generational player.


This is so true, yet something that most people miss. People slag the Oilers for getting 3 1st overalls in a row (2010, 11, 12) and not being able to create a wicked team - which is partly their fault - but then you have to look at the quality of those drafts, too. If they had won the prior 3 lotteries they would have Kane, Stamkos and Tavares to build around, the 3 before that produced Ovechkin, Crosby and Johnson. Pittsburgh drafted #2, #1 and #2 in those years and it set them up for probably 20 years. Not all drafts are created equal.

Timing. It's a thing.
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Jul 25 at 2:58
#14
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The late '00/early '10 Oilers organisation is a failure I'd say. Every year having the 1st overall pick and just putting the guy in the lineup hoping it'd be a franchise altering player, they're lucky McDavid was the real deal cause they'd still be doing the same thing over and over again. Even with McDavid they now see that they need more than just 1st picks to get a winning team.
 
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