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helping NYR and TOR create cap space

Created by: DripBayless
Initial Creation Date: Jul 28, 2019
Published: Jul 28, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
for a 3rd rounder, TOR gets to keep Marner happy and sign him to that 11M+ contract

NYR gets cap relief + a project forward. Enough money to resign DeAngelo + Lemieux
Trades
EDM
  1. Ceci, Cody ($2,250,000 retained)
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Strome, Ryan ($1,100,000 retained)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
  • Eric Gryba: $300,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
  • Sam Gagner: $315,000 (10%)
Buried
  • Brandon Manning: $1,175,000 ($2,250,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2021
EDM
EDM
NYR
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,491,999$0$1,750,000$8,001
Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$2,000,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Gagner, Sam
$2,835,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$2,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Benning, Matthew
$1,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Cave, Colby
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
EDM
Persson, Joel
$1,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Brodziak, Kyle
$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1

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Jul 28, 2019 at 12:46
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Why should NYR give a 3rd when they are sending the obvious better player?
Jul 28, 2019 at 12:47
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Quoting: Braah
Why should NYR give a 3rd when they are sending the obvious better player?


And the retention? lol
Jul 28, 2019 at 12:53
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Quoting: Braah
Why should NYR give a 3rd when they are sending the obvious better player?


Quoting: Sagecoll
And the retention? lol


bit better, but you do need to clear some cap. if you pay JP his QO + the retained 1M, you'd still be saving 2M in cap. 2M you need to sign DeAngelo + Lemieux. You'd probably still need to buyout Shattenkirk/Smith/Staal though but at least you get a roster player back for Strome.

Not sure if any you guys watched Oiler game or just base your opinions on JP off his stats but if you did watch, you'd see a 3rd line checking winger who can skate at worst. If you unlock his potential, paying Strome + 3rd isn't so bad
Jul 28, 2019 at 12:59
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
bit better, but you do need to clear some cap. if you pay JP his QO + the retained 1M, you'd still be saving 2M in cap. 2M you need to sign DeAngelo + Lemieux. You'd probably still need to buyout Shattenkirk/Smith/Staal though but at least you get a roster player back for Strome.

Not sure if any you guys watched Oiler game or just base your opinions on JP off his stats but if you did watch, you'd see a 3rd line checking winger who can skate at worst. If you unlock his potential, paying Strome + 3rd isn't so bad


I’ll do it if $3.1M is going all the way to Edmonton. Other than that well walk away from the deal. Puljujarvi as intriguing he is with Kakko, isn’t showing much while Strome has shown a capability of reaching 20-30 goals.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:03
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Quoting: Braah
I’ll do it if $3.1M is going all the way to Edmonton. Other than that well walk away from the deal. Puljujarvi as intriguing he is with Kakko, isn’t showing much while Strome has shown a capability of reaching 20-30 goals.


Strome has never cracked 20 goals in 6 years playing in the NHL so I'm not sure what capability you're talking about but I do understand about you doing it if all the salary was going back. Again, I think a better deal would be Strome + late 2nd rounder for JP because it'd be equal to late 3rd rounder + late 2nd rounder for high - mid 2nd rounder. I think if we're talking in draft pick value, that'd be the cost of moving up in the draft. But in this case, you also have to factor in salary and NYR's situation needing to clear cap space for 2 solid young players.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:04
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
Strome has never cracked 20 goals in 6 years playing in the NHL so I'm not sure what capability you're talking about but I do understand about you doing it if all the salary was going back. Again, I think a better deal would be Strome + late 2nd rounder for JP because it'd be equal to late 3rd rounder + late 2nd rounder for high - mid 2nd rounder. I think if we're talking in draft pick value, that'd be the cost of moving up in the draft.


He shot a high percentage and is arguably on his most skilled team. I think it’s not out of reach considering he had 19 goals last year on a bottom place NYR team.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:04
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Quoting: Braah
He shot a high percentage and is arguably on his most skilled team. I think it’s not out of reach considering he had 19 goals last year on a bottom place NYR team.

I don’t mind the pick swap but we don’t have our 2020 2nd due to the Adam Fox Acquisition
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:08
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Quoting: Braah
He shot a high percentage and is arguably on his most skilled team. I think it’s not out of reach considering he had 19 goals last year on a bottom place NYR team.


you're kinda making my point here..He shot extremely high percentage and banking on a repeat season is just foolish. If I'm to bet, he'd be a 8-9% player which means a dip in production this coming year.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:09
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
you're kinda making my point here..He shot extremely high percentage and banking on a repeat season is just foolish. If I'm to bet, he'd be a 8-9% player which means a dip in production this coming year.


We’ll woudl you consider the revamped NYR roster and possible line mates he could play with that either stabilize his performance or keep longevity in some way?
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:11
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Quoting: Braah
We’ll woudl you consider the revamped NYR roster and possible line mates he could play with that either stabilize his performance or keep longevity in some way?


Honestly, if NYR had the cap space they should keep Strome because I think he'll be a great 3C or even spot 2nd line RW minutes. But because you need the cap to sign DeAngelo and Lemieux, Strome and his 3M contract is the easiest to move unless you prefer buyouts (i don't like buyouts).
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:12
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
Honestly, if NYR had the cap space they should keep Strome because I think he'll be a great 3C or even spot 2nd line RW minutes. But because you need the cap to sign DeAngelo and Lemieux, Strome and his 3M contract is the easiest to move unless you prefer buyouts (i don't like buyouts).


Looking how all our bad contracts end in 2021 makes a buyout even HARDER. I think we can move Namestnikov, Fast, Strome, Kreider, which could save $13M+
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:18
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Haven't Edmonton suffered enough with Strome ?

Also if Toronto didn't want Ceci they could have let him go to arbitration, after the Clarkson Toronto doesn't need the cap space.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:21
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Quoting: ninetythreein93
Haven't Edmonton suffered enough with Strome ?


I didn't mind the 34 points he put up his first year. That's what I was expecting from him at that point anyways. I think the Oilers pulled the plug on him pretty quick in the 2nd year though and was evident when he exploded for his career average with NYR. His SP% was high but if I'm a betting person, I'd say his ceiling is around 40 points at this point and that's not bad. I'd take him as my 3C anyday.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:27
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
bit better, but you do need to clear some cap. if you pay JP his QO + the retained 1M, you'd still be saving 2M in cap. 2M you need to sign DeAngelo + Lemieux. You'd probably still need to buyout Shattenkirk/Smith/Staal though but at least you get a roster player back for Strome.

Not sure if any you guys watched Oiler game or just base your opinions on JP off his stats but if you did watch, you'd see a 3rd line checking winger who can skate at worst. If you unlock his potential, paying Strome + 3rd isn't so bad


What's the cap crunch that's forcing the Rangers to do any of this? Trade Strome, Trade Namestnikov, both for mid-late round picks and suddenly that 7 mil in gained cap pays for Deangelo and Lemieux (3.5 mil total combined). There's literally no stress in this situation.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:36
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Quoting: Sagecoll
What's the cap crunch that's forcing the Rangers to do any of this? Trade Strome, Trade Namestnikov, both for mid-late round picks and suddenly that 7 mil in gained cap pays for Deangelo and Lemieux (3.5 mil total combined). There's literally no stress in this situation.


From a quick glance, DeAngelo gets the Pionk contract at the very least (3M). Lemieux probably gets around 1.5M so that's 4.5M you need. NYR is already 4.2M over the cap without those guys signed. So you really need to clear out around 9M in cap without even factoring in the 2 replacement level 700k guys. Maybe you guys buyout Shattenkirk/Staal/Smith on top of trading Namestnikov/Strome and that's how you get cap compliant. If that's not a cap crunch, IDK what is.
Jul 28, 2019 at 1:53
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
From a quick glance, DeAngelo gets the Pionk contract at the very least (3M). Lemieux probably gets around 1.5M so that's 4.5M you need. NYR is already 4.2M over the cap without those guys signed. So you really need to clear out around 9M in cap without even factoring in the 2 replacement level 700k guys. Maybe you guys buyout Shattenkirk/Staal/Smith on top of trading Namestnikov/Strome and that's how you get cap compliant. If that's not a cap crunch, IDK what is.


I appreciate the quick glance. Now here's the long methodical analysis:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15E1qqh3OfHvvhbv_pICfKT7VR1jJEVhWQOyKviWLN54/edit
 
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