Did Ray Shero Make Any Bad Trades In Pittsburgh

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
4	$81,500,000	$63,250,417	$132,500	$132,500	$18,249,583

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Rust, Bryan $3,500,000$3,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Simon, Dominik $750,000$750,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Angello, Anthony $833,750$833,750 C, RW UFA - 1	Haggerty, Ryan $675,000$675,000 RW UFA - 1
	Aston-Reese, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Blueger, Teddy $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2
	Drozg, Jan $809,167$809,167 ($132,500$132K) LW, RW UFA - 3

Jul. 30, 2019 at 1:03 p.m.

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AlphaHockey65

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Quoting: pharrow

what's the point? Exactly what I said is the point. MAF was sent packing because Murray didn't blow it in the playoffs year after year.

Oh my bad. I Misunderstood what you wrote

Jul. 30, 2019 at 1:07 p.m.

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Quoting: dgfresh78

I do the only thing that is different in Toronto is that the supporting cast is elite. But I’d still take Sid and Geno in their primes over Matthews and Tavares. This is coming from someone who basically worships what Kyle Dubas is doing in Toronto.

Tbh. I think Toronto still didn't get better defensively. Andersen gets peppered with shots every single game and prob still will.
That era where Geno and Sid just dominated was incredible to watch. Geno was incredibly underrated at the time.
I'm hoping that with Galchenyuk, Malkin finally gets a better supporting cast on his line.
It sucks because if Simon knew how to finish, he would score 30 goals alongisde crosby or malkin.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 1:17 p.m.

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Quoting: vic997

Tbh. I think Toronto still didn't get better defensively. Andersen gets peppered with shots every single game and prob still will.
That era where Geno and Sid just dominated was incredible to watch. Geno was incredibly underrated at the time.
I'm hoping that with Galchenyuk, Malkin finally gets a better supporting cast on his line.
It sucks because if Simon knew how to finish, he would score 30 goals alongisde crosby or malkin.

At this point I’d take 15 from Simon with how good he is in terms of possession and generating scoring chances. He’s probably a perfect match for Geno’s line.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 2:31 p.m.

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Quoting: vic997

Tbh. I think Toronto still didn't get better defensively. Andersen gets peppered with shots every single game and prob still will.
That era where Geno and Sid just dominated was incredible to watch. Geno was incredibly underrated at the time.
I'm hoping that with Galchenyuk, Malkin finally gets a better supporting cast on his line.
It sucks because if Simon knew how to finish, he would score 30 goals alongisde crosby or malkin.

Quoting: dgfresh78

At this point I’d take 15 from Simon with how good he is in terms of possession and generating scoring chances. He’s probably a perfect match for Geno’s line.

Do you guys believe Simon is better than Sheary?

Jul. 30, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.

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Quoting: jspenc40

Glad he waited until DC to get his Cup though

Quoting: pharrow

what's the point? Exactly what I said is the point. MAF was sent packing because Murray didn't blow it in the playoffs year after year.

Quoting: dgfresh78

I do the only thing that is different in Toronto is that the supporting cast is elite. But I’d still take Sid and Geno in their primes over Matthews and Tavares. This is coming from someone who basically worships what Kyle Dubas is doing in Toronto.

Quoting: jspenc40

I think Shero's best moments came when he was able to get "throw-in" players in these deals (Dupuis, Niskanen, etc.) that ended up being stars in their own right

Quoting: Hissam87

True that. As good as JR was during the cup runs he has matched that with stupidity the last couple years.

Quoting: vic997

Shero wouldn't have signed JJ or Tanev at those terms

Quoting: cnb17

and now NJ is LOADED and could make a serious run for the Metro. Still don't think they beat the Caps out but the way Pitt is right now, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. Defense is horrible and that bottom six may be worse. SMH

Quoting: cnb17

and now NJ is LOADED and could make a serious run for the Metro. Still don't think they beat the Caps out but the way Pitt is right now, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. Defense is horrible and that bottom six may be worse. SMH

Quoting: jspenc40

Glad he waited until DC to get his Cup though

Quoting: pharrow

what's the point? Exactly what I said is the point. MAF was sent packing because Murray didn't blow it in the playoffs year after year.

Quoting: dgfresh78

I think regardless of Cups or whatever Sid and Geno were better than Toews and Kane. There’s really never been any debate in my opinion.

Quoting: jspenc40

I think Shero's best moments came when he was able to get "throw-in" players in these deals (Dupuis, Niskanen, etc.) that ended up being stars in their own right

Quoting: Hissam87

True that. As good as JR was during the cup runs he has matched that with stupidity the last couple years.

Quoting: vic997

We have GMJR to thank for Bonino though

Dumo is the best piece from that trade imo
He's the best and most consistent defender on the Pens roster

Quoting: cnb17

and now NJ is LOADED and could make a serious run for the Metro. Still don't think they beat the Caps out but the way Pitt is right now, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. Defense is horrible and that bottom six may be worse. SMH

Recently @MadmanFromMadison was arguing with me on why she felt Toews is a better hockey player than Crosby. She brought up some interesting stats: In head to head matchups throughout their careers (14 games), Toews has 18 points and a plus 10 rating whereas Crosby has only 7 points and a -14 rating. What’d y’all think of this?

Jul. 30, 2019 at 3:03 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Recently @MadmanFromMadison was arguing with me on why she felt Toews is a better hockey player than Crosby. She brought up some interesting stats: In head to head matchups throughout their careers (14 games), Toews has 18 points and a plus 10 rating whereas Crosby has only 7 points and a -14 rating. What’d y’all think of this?

I feel that both are guys you would want to start a franchise with....having said that, I personally feel that during the 5 years that Chicago was unbeatable, it's hard not to agree with these stats. But, I feel that Crosby has proven that he can make anyone on his line a superstar (Sheary, Rust, Simon, etc.) where as Toews hasn't had that kind of success with new linemates. When it was working, nothing could stop him. But when it wasn't, you barely noticed him on the ice ( at least from the hand full of Chicago games I watch per year). So in the battle of Sid or Toews, I would take Sid just cause by himself, he makes the team better.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 3:05 p.m.

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I feel that both are guys you would want to start a franchise with....having said that, I personally feel that during the 5 years that Chicago was unbeatable, it's hard not to agree with these stats. But, I feel that Crosby has proven that he can make anyone on his line a superstar (Sheary, Rust, Simon, etc.) where as Toews hasn't had that kind of success with new linemates. When it was working, nothing could stop him. But when it wasn't, you barely noticed him on the ice ( at least from the hand full of Chicago games I watch per year). So in the battle of Sid or Toews, I would take Sid just cause by himself, he makes the team better.

Yes but she also claimed that Crosby only does well against weak opposition, when he is matched against top defensive players, he struggles whereas Toews dominates. For example, throughout his career Crosby has been manhandled in possession and production against players like Bergeron, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Barkov and Stone. Toews is the opposite, he has excelled when being matched up against the likes of Kopitar, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Backes and O’Reilly. Therefore Toews is far better than Crosby. Thoughts?

Jul. 30, 2019 at 3:16 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Yes but she also claimed that Crosby only does well against weak opposition, when he is matched against top defensive players, he struggles whereas Toews dominates. For example, throughout his career Crosby has been manhandled in possession and production against players like Bergeron, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Barkov and Stone. Toews is the opposite, he has excelled when being matched up against the likes of Kopitar, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Backes and O’Reilly. Therefore Toews is far better than Crosby. Thoughts?

Crosby 943 games played - 1,216 points....Towes 873 games played - 755 points. So by that Crosby clearly is the winner.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 5:28 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Recently @MadmanFromMadison was arguing with me on why she felt Toews is a better hockey player than Crosby. She brought up some interesting stats: In head to head matchups throughout their careers (14 games), Toews has 18 points and a plus 10 rating whereas Crosby has only 7 points and a -14 rating. What’d y’all think of this?

Here’s my take on this...Crosby is arguably the best player in the world regardless of what he has done against Toews and CHI. Toews is a great player in his own right but I don’t see him being on the same elite player pedestal Crosby is. I see Toews and Bergeron as a more fair comparison.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 9:22 p.m.

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Apparently @BrandonDubinskyGOAT still hasnt mastered reading beyond a 2nd grade level. All this Toews vs Crosby talk stems from the fact that Toews is great at shadowing Sid and limiting his impact he would have in a game. Sid at his very best has been stopped by guys before already it isnt exactly rare for that to happen to star players.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 9:26 p.m.

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Quoting: MadmanFromMadison

Apparently @BrandonDubinskyGOAT still hasnt mastered reading beyond a 2nd grade level. All this Toews vs Crosby talk stems from the fact that Toews is great at shadowing Sid and limiting his impact he would have in a game. Sid at his very best has been stopped by guys before already it isnt exactly rare for that to happen to star players.

Just because Toews stopped Crosby from producing at an elite level during the regular season doesn’t make him the better player. Kadri successfully shadowed McDavid last season, does that mean Kadri is better than McDavid? Open your eyes.

Jul. 30, 2019 at 9:34 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Just because Toews stopped Crosby from producing at an elite level during the regular season doesn’t make him the better player. Kadri successfully shadowed McDavid last season, does that mean Kadri is better than McDavid? Open your eyes.

When did I ever say he was better you mongoloid? You somehow interpret "This guy can shut down Sid well" into "This guy is better" which is what I never said you are incapable of reading and comprehending basic statements. At this point you would make more sense if you huffed paint for three hours straight then posted here.

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 6
	Malkin, Evgeni $9,500,000$9,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dumoulin, Brian $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3

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