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After reading James Mirtles Article Consensus

Created by: Rodzikhockey93
Initial Creation Date: Aug 2, 2019
Published: Aug 2, 2019 at 10:03 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell3$9,500,160
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 6th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
ARI
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$82,547,359$0$0-$1,047,359
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$9,500,160
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
$700,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug 2, 2019 at 10:05
#1
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:08
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


Don't like the length or the money?
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:08
#3
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


its the reality. Rather keep him away from free agency as much as possible
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:12
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Don't like the length or the money?


Those go hand in hand, but Evolving Wild has him projected at ~$9.6M x 8Y so let's go with length.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:14
#5
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Don't like the length or the money?


The lenght is good, but thats 2mil more then he should get on that term. And the money is good if term is twice as long.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:14
#6
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
its the reality. Rather keep him away from free agency as much as possible


Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:14
#7
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Quoting: SammyT_51
The lenght is good, but thats 2mil more then he should get on that term. And the money is good if term is twice as long.


Gotcha. That makes sense.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:20
#8
LEAFSandBRUINSfan
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.


As much as I agree with your opinion this is what’s gonna happen or he’s not gonna play I honestly have no problem with that contract. Obviously I think it should be lower and the stats and comparisons prove that but I’d rather have mitch than not
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:22
#9
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Id rather sit him for a year or trade him for top pairing D than this contract.


Marner's contract won't ever be a problem. He's going to be a star. It's the secondary contracts that will be the problem and currently the Leafs have zero bad contracts.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:27
#10
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Quoting: MacerV
Those go hand in hand, but Evolving Wild has him projected at ~$9.6M x 8Y so let's go with length.


Did you read the article? He's not signing for 8 years and wants at least 9M, good luck getting a long term for less than 11M
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:27
#11
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then bye Marner, Id trade him if he wants that much.


Who has the room and would give the leafs fair value? They have no leverage.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:35
#12
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Quoting: Ngp2
Who has the room and would give the leafs fair value? They have no leverage.


There are teams that would give them full value who would offer marner big contract. Leafs have all the leverage in Marner negotiations. He wouldnt sit until UFA status am I right?
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:43
#13
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Quoting: Ngp2
Did you read the article? He's not signing for 8 years and wants at least 9M, good luck getting a long term for less than 11M


Yes, I read the article. And he could want league max for 1 year, that doesn't mean he is going to get it. If Dubas signs Marner to this deal he should be fired. Any GM signing Marner to $11M+ should be fired.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:45
#14
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
There are teams that would give them full value who would offer marner big contract. Leafs have all the leverage in Marner negotiations. He wouldnt sit until UFA status am I right?


They're going to piss away their window over 1M/year? No team is giving up assets for Marner when the leafs have to sign him (and have to before the season starts).
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:46
#15
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Quoting: MacerV
Yes, I read the article. And he could want league max for 1 year, that doesn't mean he is going to get it. If Dubas signs Marner to this deal he should be fired. Any GM signing Marner to $11M+ should be fired.


So what do the leafs do then? Get screwed by signing him in season? You can't just force a player to sign a contract because you want him to.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:51
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Quoting: Ngp2
So what do the leafs do then? Get screwed by signing him in season? You can't just force a player to sign a contract because you want him to.


Offer an array of 1 to 8 year contracts at fair value and tell him to sign one before camp. If he doesn't, he gets traded or sits the year. It's not optimal, but paying a guy $2-4M more than his fair share is ridiculous and will hurt the team.
Aug 2, 2019 at 10:54
#17
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Offer an array of 1 to 8 year contracts at fair value and tell him to sign one before camp. If he doesn't, he gets traded or sits the year. It's not optimal, but paying a guy $2-4M more than his fair share is ridiculous and will hurt the team.


So the leafs ruin a year of their window over 1.5M? Seems like bad GMing.
Aug 2, 2019 at 11:04
#18
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Quoting: Ngp2
They're going to piss away their window over 1M/year? No team is giving up assets for Marner when the leafs have to sign him (and have to before the season starts).


Piss away their window? If they move marner they are still in the same window as before. Marner is like 5th most valuable Leaf. They would miss him but they would get a great package back for him (Pesce+Teravainen as example). 1M a year? Huh? He is worth 7M on 3yr deal and not more. Id give him 1M more just to have him for 8x3, which is overpayment but at least they would have him signed.. But I would not give him 2.5mil more than his value is. Not even a question. They would offer him array of reasonable contracts for every term except 4 and 5 yrs. They can tell him to sign one of those and stay a leaf or say if you want more, this and this team is offering this and this money and we will trade you there if you dont sign any of those proposed deals to these terms. All front or back loaded how much he wants. But the AAV would be at the value the Leafs want him to have.
Aug 2, 2019 at 11:38
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Quoting: Ngp2
So the leafs ruin a year of their window over 1.5M? Seems like bad GMing.


I think you mean $2M-$32M yes. That can cause a lot of damage over the years vs 1 year.
Aug 2, 2019 at 1:10
#20
NGP22
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Piss away their window? If they move marner they are still in the same window as before. Marner is like 5th most valuable Leaf. They would miss him but they would get a great package back for him (Pesce+Teravainen as example). 1M a year? Huh? He is worth 7M on 3yr deal and not more. Id give him 1M more just to have him for 8x3, which is overpayment but at least they would have him signed.. But I would not give him 2.5mil more than his value is. Not even a question. They would offer him array of reasonable contracts for every term except 4 and 5 yrs. They can tell him to sign one of those and stay a leaf or say if you want more, this and this team is offering this and this money and we will trade you there if you dont sign any of those proposed deals to these terms. All front or back loaded how much he wants. But the AAV would be at the value the Leafs want him to have.


You think Carolina is giving up Pesce and Teravainen for Marner? In what world would they do that, maybe one and the leafs first rounder back but Carolina has no reason to pay fair value. 3x9 still gives the Leafs plenty of room. It's over market compared to other wingers but Marner had a career year and has the leafs over a barrel.
Aug 2, 2019 at 1:11
#21
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
I think you mean $2M-$32M yes. That can cause a lot of damage over the years vs 1 year.


If you think he's worth 3x7.5, you're going to say no to 3x9 (not close to 32M idk where you got that number)?
Aug 2, 2019 at 2:33
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Quoting: Ngp2
If you think he's worth 3x7.5, you're going to say no to 3x9 (not close to 32M idk where you got that number)?


Uhhh, yeah I'm going to say hell no to 3x9. And the 32M is from me saying $2-4M AAV overpay which for an 8 year term comes out to $16-32M.
Aug 2, 2019 at 2:52
#23
NGP22
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Quoting: MacerV
Uhhh, yeah I'm going to say hell no to 3x9. And the 32M is from me saying $2-4M AAV overpay which for an 8 year term comes out to $16-32M.


Ah well Marner's not signing for 8 years so problem solved
 
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