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1015M TBLs cap space

Created by: bhavikp27
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2019
Published: Aug. 5, 2019
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Assuming Rutta and Schenn stay, Witkowski in the AHL and Domingue traded for a pick (that's why he's on LTIR so he doesn't count)


TBL has about $10M or so to sign Erne & Point.

Will they be able?
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$71,348,331$0$1,362,500$10,151,669
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 4
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
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$697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$147,500$148K)
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
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$700,000$700,000
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:16 a.m.
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:22 a.m.
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Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:25 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


I would like to give you a complete answer but there are salary's things and when you have a player on LTIR, it's more difficult to make moves (callups) so

But someone can probably give you a better answer
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:25 a.m.
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what happened to Domingue? why TBL wants him go? i thought he's a decent backup goalie
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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Edited Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
8 year deal point should be around 9-9.7. 5 years should be around 7-8. 3 should be 5.5-6.5.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


Yea, I couldn't figure that out either. From what we know about LTIR....look what the Leafs did acquiring Clarkson too apparently GAIN cap space.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


There is an interview with JBB where he explains Callahan trade.

https://www.nhl.com/lightning/video/brisebois-on-condon/t-277437434/c-68672203
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Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Although that type of logic seems to be from another era. Does that mean the Leafs can sign Marner for 5.25m X 3?
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Yea, I couldn't figure that out either. From what we know about LTIR....look what the Leafs did acquiring Clarkson too apparently GAIN cap space.


Its about next year. They expect $1.5 million is bonuses to Cernak, Cirelli, Sergachev and Joesph. With the LTIR of Callahan all of that would have went against next years cap as you can't accrue cap space when on LTIR. So moving Callahan basically frees up 1.5M in space for next year. The other reason he said he did was trade deadline, he said for every 1M in cap space that accrues at the beginning of the year its worth like 4M at the trade deadline so they also open up the possibility of making a trade deadline move.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:37 a.m.
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Although that type of logic seems to be from another era. Does that mean the Leafs can sign Marner for 5.25m X 3?


What's the comparable bridge contract for the Leafs? I think it's harder to compare a potential Marner deal to a potential Point deal, because a 5.3M deal in Tampa has a higher net pay amount than Marner would get in Toronto due to taxes. Also, it's easier for GMs of teams to point at a player's teammate and say, "hey, the league MVP signed a bridge contract and we paid him what he was worth after it expired."
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: jwg314
Why didn't Tampa just keep Callahan on LTIR? Now they just have Condon eating $1.325M buried in the AHL?


PLayer bonuses translate to next years cap if you exceed the cap limit with a LTIR. This would not be good for the Bolts as they'll be in a cap crunch next offseason, having to re-sign 2 great RFAs + Joseph
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:52 a.m.
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What's the comparable bridge contract for the Leafs? I think it's harder to compare a potential Marner deal to a potential Point deal, because a 5.3M deal in Tampa has a higher net pay amount than Marner would get in Toronto due to taxes. Also, it's easier for GMs of teams to point at a player's teammate and say, "hey, the league MVP signed a bridge contract and we paid him what he was worth after it expired."


Kucherov was coming off of back-to-back 65 point seasons though. Point just scored 66 and then 92. I would think he has surpassed that comparable.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 10:54 a.m.
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Kucherov was coming off of back-to-back 65 point seasons though. Point just scored 66 and then 92. I would think he has surpassed that comparable.


Fair point. I don't think he signs for that exact amount, but that gives you the floor on a bridge deal.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 11:55 a.m.
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Quoting: staytru20
If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Quoting: Snipshow4416
8 year deal point should be around 9-9.7. 5 years should be around 7-8. 3 should be 5.5-6.5.


5 million for Point? Even on a bridge deal, that seems low. Keep in mind, Point has done better than Kucherov at the time he signed his bridge deal. Even though Kucherov won MVP, Point has proven to the the Lightning’s best player. He drives the play for the top line, plays in all situations, scores goals and has unparalleled hockey sense. If anything he is going to get a bridge deal of at least 9 million, maybe 8 if you minus state taxes. 12 million on an 8 year deal.
Aug. 5, 2019 at 11:57 a.m.
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Quoting: staytru20
If Tampa is able to sign Point on a bridge contract, they should use Kucherov's deal as a comparable. Kucherov's bridge was at 6.53% of the cap at signing, and was for 3 yrs x $4,766,667.

If they bridged Point at 2/3 years, they could potentially sign him for a $5,321,950 AAV


Kind of tough to go to the negotiation tables and say, “see this deal that was universally viewed as terrible for the player? That’s what we’re working off of!”
 
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