I think most of us were a bit surprised by the kuch deal when it happened and we gave yzerman all the credit for bringing him in at a low number. Marner unfortunately has seen nylander Mathews and Tavares get paid and wants his. Cant blame the guy and I get the logic in your offer but I cant see him signing for a number thats lower than nylanders.

Marner’s camp has been pretty consistent on wanting 5 yrs $11-$12 million per year. I don’t see them changing their mind. Either pay him or trade him because no one is going to offer sheet him.

Okay but 11-12M per year isn't what he's worth or should get and I'm not here to argue that.
Just going off the Kuch deal which I think is a pretty fair comparable

I don't see him signing for any less than Nylander either but basing it off Kuch % cap hit and "inflation" if you'd like to call it that, realistically if he wants 3yr deal it should be close to the number I have above IMO, paying anything 7+ on a bridge isn't a bridge

I agree if its a bridge it should be less. The problem is guys are getting paid. Hes an elite talent he knows it and he wants the cash. so if your a say hes about a 10 million dollar guy taking less on a bridge deal is more like 2 years 8 million which isn't much of a bridge I know. The only help Toronto can get in all this is if somehow braiden point signs first and its lower than we all think it would be.

That's also why I think they'd be smarter to just sign him long term. Why bridge him 2x8 or 3x9 when you can go 7-8x11? To me, it makes more sense long term. With the cap rising and him not even in his prime yet I think it's safe to go long term.

Oh no, we get into this silly argument what a player "wants." Can't think on one team that wants to pay Marner that much due to the cap and their salary structure. Until folks on this site (and of course real GMs) can start naming teams with 12m Marner and the corresponding lineup with that team, Marner "wants" seem pretty meaningless.

The 11.6Mil for 5 years isnt what Matthews is worth either but here we are

Matthews is 110% worth every bit of that contract

Maybe if it didnt bring him right into FA

I feel like I always have to preface this on any comment but as an FYI, I'm a Habs fan...

I want Marner to stay with the leafs. Rivalry aside, I want Canadian teams to succeed and Marner is integral to that. I also think that Salaries are getting absurd, but if anybody deserves to be on par with Matthews and Tavares, it's him. With that being said, I find it hard to believe that Dubas doesn't get this done. I'm confident Marner will be a leafs player but from a Marner point of view, if he's going short term, it's got to be much higher money. What if he gets hurt? He shoots himself in the foot there. There's a lot of behind the scenes consideration here

Oh I’m not saying he’s worth it, all I’m saying is that it looks like they are firm on what they are asking and will likely sit the season like Nylander until he is traded or Dubas’ folds and pays.

I never understand the logic of if Marner's doesn't likes the Leafs offer, and he decides to sit, why does he get a better offer from another team? Plus a team isn't going to make a trade with the Leafs (the equivalent of four first rounders) without a signed Marner. No other team has made a offer compatible offer sheet so far, no reason to think that other teams are willing to pay Marner much different that what the Leafs are offering. So Marner can firm all he wants, but it could lead to not getting paid any NHL money the season. That being said, when I see the contracts of Doughty, Karlsson, Sequin starting this season, yea Marner can justify about 11m. When I see the contracts of Aho and Kucherov, don't see how 9m can be justified.

I agree with but what we don’t know is if his asking price of $11-12 million is for the Leafs or any team. Maybe he’s giving the Leafs that price because of Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander. Unfortunately he’s the only one that knows if he would sign for less with another team.

You're right, I'm sure Marner is looking at the Leaf comparison of the overpaid Matthews and Nylander. But the Leafs don't have to and just can't continue the overpay tradition. Salaries are generally based up league wide comparisons. Aho 8.45m X 5 is perfect comparable if you look at the last two seasons. Marner's only leverage is an offer sheet, even if he doesn't sign it, or to with hold his services. If I'm the Leafs, I don't worry Matthews comparison much. Just like Tzachuk really doesn't care about 6.75 Gaudreau, or Rantanen cares that the best Avs MacKinnon is making 6.5m. McAvoy isn't signing as top paid Burins Dman at 5.3m long term. There is just isn't any right or wrong answers. If there was, all these players would be signed already.

Continuously dropping knowledge bombs on us...eh ? lol