Id say skinner and Krieder trade value is about the same... going back to last year i would rather Krieder more than skinner...

Change Barron to Kamenev/Bowers/Meloche and make the 2nd conditional and you have a discussion

Well last year Kreider had two years left. Not an even comparison then.

As for their value, Skinner is statistically better in offense. 3(now 4) 30 goal season, Kreider has none. 2(now 3) 60 point seasons, Kreider has none. I can't see any way how Kreider is more valuable than Skinner was.

nah, rangers may want that but they are now in a place of weakness when it comes to their roster, have to shed salary still. AJ Greer is what I would offer up with picks, other than that, good luck finding your trade partner

Avs wouldnt trade the 16th overall pick for him, they sure wont trade some of their better top prospects plus multiple draft picks now. I think rangers over valued him at the draft, missed their chance to get a good return and now will have to settle for something less

I just think Krieder brings alot more to the table... Like now I would obvs want Skinner more than Krieder, but looking back at last year I think it was pre close

Trying to prove a point that Kreider is not as valuable as some NYR fans think and there's a direct comparable in Skinner. Some of them say that Kreider's worth two firsts, in my opinion that's just garbage.

I still say the best deal for the Rangers is Puljujarvi (can be signed for cheap), and picks

that would be a steal for the OIlers, since i believe it was on friedmans post cast way back even before the draft when they were talking about Puljujarvi value, that oilers would be having a tough time trying to get a 2nd rounder for him. Puljujarvi value has tanked to Curtis Lazar level which is crazy to think about

Tells something about Oilers' capability of handling their prospects.

just in general their lack of vision....Draft a highskilled RW, dont give him a chance, apparently tried to change his playing style by wanting him to get in front of the net more and crash it, send him into a bottom 6 role to "learn" but then spend 3 years picking up waiver wire and PTO left overs to be McDavids winger.

Heres a thought, dont make Puljujarvi a net crashing big body presence and embrace and coach to the players skill sets you have.

Lazar got a 2nd tho lol

Id try him on a line with Kakko and a vet centre and see if he does well

Worth a shot. Think that he'd stay this year in Finland or somewhere else in Europe.

I know thats why i mentioned him bc flames regret that trade, exactly why teams dont want to give up even a 2nd for reclaim projects.
Sens held onto Lazar too long, wanting a 1st, back for so long from what I can recall and eventually got the 2nd. To me when teams have a player that clearly are not in their plans, drop the ego and afraid to "lose a trade" or "what if they blow up after we trade them and we didnt get enough for them"....what good is it holding onto a guy that isnt work. Move the asset, and dont let it be a distraction

in fairness, you can't really use the Buf/Car Skinner trade as the framework for a Kreider trade simply because Carolina got fleeced in that deal. Skinner said he wasn't signing and they had to move him for something. Buffalo took advantage of that. the Rangers are not in the same situation - they don't have to move him today and I'm sure he wants to stay in NY past next season.
also, Kreider's value today may be less, but come Feb/March, that value will go back up...

the Rangers may appear to be in a cap situation, but buying out Shatty tells me that the team knows they are 2 years away from true compete and in 2 years, they will have boat loads to spend.

Difference between Kreider and Skinner tho is Skinner had a Full NMC and was rumoured only willing to go to Buffalo which lowered his trade value significantly, kinda like NYR were able to get Trouba for so cheap since both he and his girl wanted NYR #1.
Kreider has a M-NTC (11 teams no trade) and depending on which teams he's willing to go to his trade value will drive up in a bidding war either now, but certainly around TDL. He's a 1st/2nd line powerforward who's among the best in the league in netfront presence and tip-in goals which should be highly sought after by contending teams. combine with his straight line speed and size along with his 4.6M cap hit that can be reduced to 2.3M i see no reason why he should get at least a 1st. if he's traded now it probably would be a conditional 1st, but at TDL he could be the best player available unless one of the predicted playoff teams takes a huge fall

Barron is a nothingburger, why bother?

You're getting a mid 2nd, late 3rd and a mid 6th... meh.

Based on this weak deal, an Edmonton offer would be like JP + a 3rd.