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We Have a Consensus

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2019
Published: Aug. 11, 2019
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There seems to be a consensus in the comments to a previous post re: the value a Marner in a Carolina trade. Let's do it.
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Aug. 11, 2019 at 6:24 p.m.
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Jakob
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Value-wise, it's good. But there are two issues with it.
1. Carolina is way too cheap to do this then subsequently sign Marner to a deal worth $10m+. 2 roster spots for the same cost is more valuable to Tom Dundon I'm sure.
2. Dubas is scared to make a big move, afraid it will blow up in his face. He will not move Marner

But, either way, cool exercise to see the value he would have if the trade route was explored
Aug. 11, 2019 at 6:42 p.m.
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Quoting: JakobBickle
Value-wise, it's good. But there are two issues with it.
1. Carolina is way too cheap to do this then subsequently sign Marner to a deal worth $10m+. 2 roster spots for the same cost is more valuable to Tom Dundon I'm sure.
2. Dubas is scared to make a big move, afraid it will blow up in his face. He will not move Marner

But, either way, cool exercise to see the value he would have if the trade route was explored


You think Dubas is scared to make a big move? Buddy he just traded Kadri for Barrie lol. He put his entire first off season in the line by going all in on Tavares. Shut the **** up about your stupid ideas on dubas. You've missed the reality bus on every one of them.
Aug. 11, 2019 at 6:56 p.m.
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You think Dubas is scared to make a big move? Buddy he just traded Kadri for Barrie lol. He put his entire first off season in the line by going all in on Tavares. Shut the **** up about your stupid ideas on dubas. You've missed the reality bus on every one of them.


That went from 0-100 real quick. Lol.

Quoting: JakobBickle
Value-wise, it's good. But there are two issues with it.
1. Carolina is way too cheap to do this then subsequently sign Marner to a deal worth $10m+. 2 roster spots for the same cost is more valuable to Tom Dundon I'm sure.
2. Dubas is scared to make a big move, afraid it will blow up in his face. He will not move Marner

But, either way, cool exercise to see the value he would have if the trade route was explored


As Canes, I wouldn’t do it for the first reason.
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Aug. 11, 2019 at 7:05 p.m.
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That is a risky moove but make sure that if canes go further than leafs in playoffs dubas loose his job
Aug. 11, 2019 at 7:10 p.m.
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Quoting: JakobBickle
Value-wise, it's good. But there are two issues with it.
1. Carolina is way too cheap to do this then subsequently sign Marner to a deal worth $10m+. 2 roster spots for the same cost is more valuable to Tom Dundon I'm sure.
2. Dubas is scared to make a big move, afraid it will blow up in his face. He will not move Marner

But, either way, cool exercise to see the value he would have if the trade route was explored


More like it makes no sense for Carolina. Teravainen had 74 points last year, Pesce 29. They combined out produced Marner, and Pesce is a top 4 Shutdown RHD, those go for a premium most of the time. Marner exploded with Tavares, he won't get that in Carolina. Carolina pass because Marner is mad overvalued
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Aug. 11, 2019 at 7:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
You think Dubas is scared to make a big move? Buddy he just traded Kadri for Barrie lol. He put his entire first off season in the line by going all in on Tavares. Shut the **** up about your stupid ideas on dubas. You've missed the reality bus on every one of them.


I said whoever threw that paper, ya mom's a ***
Aug. 11, 2019 at 7:27 p.m.
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Huh. I like it
Aug. 11, 2019 at 8:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
You think Dubas is scared to make a big move? Buddy he just traded Kadri for Barrie lol. He put his entire first off season in the line by going all in on Tavares. Shut the **** up about your stupid ideas on dubas. You've missed the reality bus on every one of them.


Easy, pal, easy. You're starting to imitate your avatar.
Aug. 11, 2019 at 8:06 p.m.
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More like it makes no sense for Carolina. Teravainen had 74 points last year, Pesce 29. They combined out produced Marner, and Pesce is a top 4 Shutdown RHD, those go for a premium most of the time. Marner exploded with Tavares, he won't get that in Carolina. Carolina pass because Marner is mad overvalued


Not that I am for or against this move but Marner didn't explode when Tavares was signed. He was over a point a game player the season before after he was put with Kadri and Marleau. Everyone forgets this, at one point that season he was the highest scoring player over a 2 month stretch. But that doesn't help in the unrealistic and petty discussion that dominate the narrative these days so it doesn't matter.
Aug. 11, 2019 at 8:50 p.m.
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I don't think the value is close. CAR loses this trade big time
Aug. 11, 2019 at 11:26 p.m.
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Quoting: JakobBickle
Value-wise, it's good. But there are two issues with it.
1. Carolina is way too cheap to do this then subsequently sign Marner to a deal worth $10m+. 2 roster spots for the same cost is more valuable to Tom Dundon I'm sure.
2. Dubas is scared to make a big move, afraid it will blow up in his face. He will not move Marner

But, either way, cool exercise to see the value he would have if the trade route was explored


You were right until your second point. Other than that, I agree with you.
Aug. 11, 2019 at 11:42 p.m.
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That is a risky moove but make sure that if canes go further than leafs in playoffs dubas loose his job


Dubas has been on the job for a year now...he ain't getting fired bro
Aug. 12, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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Did we all just forget the Larsson for Hall trade? Because this is very reminiscent of that.
 
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