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Marner Bridge - Reality

Created by: Chiller
Initial Creation Date: Aug 12, 2019
Published: Aug 12, 2019 at 1:39
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
With Marner Obviously he Can Sign a 1-8 year deal. Right off the bat a 1,4, 5 year deal are out. 1 means you need to do this headache over again next year, 4 brings him right to UFA and 5 is when matthews, Nylander are up. Ideally you want to lock in Marner long term, but with all the rumors going around, he does not want that unless its for McDavid/Matthews Money. So removing that we are left with a 2-3 year bridge deal.

A bridge makes sense because first, lower AAV means leafs have a better shot keeping Barrie/Muzzin next year, or if magic had it get another D this year. (I dont think he will sign with the leafs, but why hasnt Gardiner signed anywhere?) Second, He is still an RFA. 3rd, will marners AAV after a 2-3 year deal be that much higher than what he is asking now? Probably not, and with a higher cap that would be better. 4. Marner and Auston are BFFs, so overlapping thier contracts gives matthews more incentive to stay.

What Bridge Deal Makes sense. Looking Back: Nikita Kucherov- Signed a 6.53% of Cap 3 year bridge deal with Tampa. For 4.8AAV

Offering Marner the same would be 5.3Mil AAV. now that seems a bit low. Marners ELC was overall better than Kucherov during his, and there are some Tax things Flordia can do, if you think that matters.

So I've increase it to 8.8% of Cap, 7.1683Mil AAV (Because why not have your favourite numbers 16 and 93 in your Salaray). And Boom.


Neuvirth Beats out Hutch for a job.

Gauthier: Proved to be a capable 4C this year shockingly, but he isnt needed and can be replaced. Dubas probably trades a few guys like goat in order to not be at the 50 contract limit.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell3$7,169,300
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Neuvirth, Michal1$700,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2021 6th round pick (MTL)
Pick becomes a 2021 5th rounder if Gauthier plays more than 30 games in the NHL.
MTL
  1. Gauthier, Frédérik
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
MTL
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,291,499$0$0$1,208,501

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$7,169,300
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Neuvirth, Michal
$700,000
G
UFA
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Kapanen, K.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Johnsson, A.
Kerfoot, A.
Spezza, J.
Nylander, W.
Barrie, T.
Penalty Kill 1
Kapanen, K.
Marner, M.
Muzzin, J.
Ceci, C.
Penalty Kill 2
Moore, T.
Hyman, Z.
Dermott, T.
Schmaltz, J.

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Aug 12, 2019 at 1:42
#1
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Add $1M to that bridge for Marner.
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:43
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i hope ur hungry now
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He said no to 3x8.75
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:43
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Bcarlo25
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marner bridge - fantasy.
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:50
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I dont think its fair to compare it to Kucherovs
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Aug 12, 2019 at 1:54
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
marner bridge - fantasy.


Why?
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:55
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Brewmaster
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
I dont think its fair to compare it to Kucherovs


Why. Kuch has become arguably the best winger in the NHL. At least Top 3.
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:57
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bhavikp27
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Marner declines the AAV
Aug 12, 2019 at 1:58
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bhavikp27
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And indeed, you can't compare to it Kucherov
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Aug 12, 2019 at 2:04
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Bcarlo25
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Why?


the money
Aug 12, 2019 at 2:08
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Quoting: Chiller
Why. Kuch has become arguably the best winger in the NHL. At least Top 3.


I know, i just dont think his deal is worth comparing because he signed such a steal... thats like comparing pastas contracts
Aug 12, 2019 at 2:30
#11
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Brewmaster
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
I know, i just dont think his deal is worth comparing because he signed such a steal... thats like comparing pastas contracts


Hence why i am not using 6.5%. That would be rediculuos. Ive increased it over 2.3%. A Kuch deal would be 5.3Mil AAV for Marner not 7.1
Aug 12, 2019 at 2:32
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Why?


Ah the money. It's always the money.

But what happens if no one wants to give Mitch what he wants? Cause so far, that kinda seems to be the case..
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Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41
#13
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Quoting: Chiller
Hence why i am not using 6.5%. That would be rediculuos. Ive increased it over 2.3%. A Kuch deal would be 5.3Mil AAV for Marner not 7.1


yeah u gotta increase it way more.. NHL has changed as u will see when the other rfas sign
Aug 12, 2019 at 2:46
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Quoting: Chiller
Hence why i am not using 6.5%. That would be rediculuos. Ive increased it over 2.3%. A Kuch deal would be 5.3Mil AAV for Marner not 7.1


I have a feeling it's heading towards a 3 yr deal worth around 9M aav. That's an overpay for what he's worth today and it's my guess that will be increasingly true once the other rfas start to sign.

But if Mitch is dug in at 3yr/10M it seems like a compromise both ways, the leafs can make it work, and it compares to a 3 yr offer that was on the table for AM. But oh man, if he gets a deal like that he better come outta the gates producing... cause if he's feeling sensitive and disrespected now just wait til he sees how the fan base turns on him if he doesn't put up numbers..

The other option that I can see happening is that Ferris and Paul are actually deluded and they continue to try to bully tactic the leafs and Marner ends up sitting for the year.
Aug 12, 2019 at 5:04
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If Marner would've accepted that bridge deal, He'd already be resigned by now. No way Marners takes that deal.
Aug 12, 2019 at 5:24
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I have a feeling it's heading towards a 3 yr deal worth around 9M aav. That's an overpay for what he's worth today and it's my guess that will be increasingly true once the other rfas start to sign.

But if Mitch is dug in at 3yr/10M it seems like a compromise both ways, the leafs can make it work, and it compares to a 3 yr offer that was on the table for AM. But oh man, if he gets a deal like that he better come outta the gates producing... cause if he's feeling sensitive and disrespected now just wait til he sees how the fan base turns on him if he doesn't put up numbers..

The other option that I can see happening is that Ferris and Paul are actually deluded and they continue to try to bully tactic the leafs and Marner ends up sitting for the year.


You know a deal is bad when you say, He better come out of the gates producing. AKA he better be a 94+ point player for the entire contract length, I sure really do hope it wasnt a fluke and his points didnt get inflated by playing with JT
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Aug 12, 2019 at 5:57
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Quoting: Chiller
You know a deal is bad when you say, He better come out of the gates producing. AKA he better be a 94+ point player for the entire contract length, I sure really do hope it wasnt a fluke and his points didnt get inflated by playing with JT


Just be clear, I think a 3yr/9M aav is a big overpay. Its just where I see things possibly heading right now if what's getting leaked to the media has an ounce of truth to it I.e the rumour of Ferris countering with a 10M/3yr from the leafs apparent original offer of 10M/8yr. And the subsequent leak of the leafs 8.75M/3yr offer (and we really don't know if any of it true).

But if there is truth to this stuff then I could see a 9M/3yr as a possibility. Keep him lined up with JT and hope their chemistry keeps working, and then in the last year of his deal trade him for some stud elc and picks...

Cause there's no way I want to hear all this Mitch noise again when Reilly is up for a new contract in 3.. In terms of value to the team and team impact Mo is way more important than Mitch. Despite what Paul thinks. Besides, Captain Morgan is way too classy to get one upped by a repeat of what's currently shaking out
 
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