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Yet another Risto trade and OTT swap Expl in Desc

Created by: Miguelicious
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 13, 2019
Published: Aug. 13, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Risto trade:

From the sounds of it, he isn't in the plans for BUF anymore. Getting disgruntled but talented Puljujarvi, 2 B-prospects, expiring contract Gagner on a discount plus a 3rd and a 6th isn't bad.

If they sign Pulju to no more than $1.5m on a show-me deal, that's a cap savings of $1.4M: more than enough to get them back within the cap.

OTT trade:

Shouldnt be that hard to convince Melnyk to shell out essentially same money but for a player that would actually suit up for them for the next 2 years. Katz get's burnt in real money, but Oilers get cap flexibility.

$2.1M in cap space:

Enough space for when Smith's bonuses kick in.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Gagner, Sam ($500,000 retained)
  2. Lagesson, William
  3. Maksimov, Kirill
  4. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  5. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
  6. 2021 6th round pick (PIT)
2.
EDM
  1. Callahan, Ryan ($1,800,000 retained)
  2. MacArthur, Clarke ($650,000 retained)
OTT
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. 2021 6th round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,311,999$0$2,457,500$2,188,001

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
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$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$2,150,000$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$675,000$675,000
C
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1

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Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:20 a.m.
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Sabres are gonna want quality over quantity so no.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.
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This is brutal.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.
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Sabres are gonna want quality over quantity so no.


Gotta give up quality if you want quality back.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.
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Gotta give up quality if you want quality back.


Delete your account
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:23 a.m.
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Ive never seen retention on LTIR players. That's very new hhaha
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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Delete your account


LMAO Risto is bad...
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
LMAO Risto is bad...


Lmao stop being a sheep.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:27 a.m.
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Lmao stop being a sheep.


lol says the biased sabres fan that thinks Risto is good.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
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Quoting: wojme
Lmao stop being a sheep.


Jesus man, it forsure isnt the best, but if you look at what Risto actually is versus what you see him as or what he was miscast as...

Dude is not a 25min d-man. Advanced analytics are absolutely garbage compared to players with the same TOI.
Minus player his entire career even in Junior and Minors.
Combined -143 in 6 seasons on a team much much deeper than the Oilers lol.

He is a forsure top4 dman, 3-4 on a good team.
Let's not pretend just cause the Oiler's defense is garbage and he would be on the 1st pair that his pricetag moves accordingly.

Now that we know what the low point is, and what the pricing is for a 2nd pair D-man (look at what legit league top 10 dman Subban went for), the offer can be amended to:

Risto for Pulju, Bear, Safin, Gagner less 500k, 3rd and 3rd. More than enough to land Risto.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Miguelicious
Jesus man, it forsure isnt the best, but if you look at what Risto actually is versus what you see him as or what he was miscast as...

Dude is not a 25min d-man. Advanced analytics are absolutely garbage compared to players with the same TOI.
Minus player his entire career even in Junior and Minors.
Combined -143 in 6 seasons on a team much much deeper than the Oilers lol.

He is a forsure top4 dman, 3-4 on a good team.
Let's not pretend just cause the Oiler's defense is garbage and he would be on the 1st pair that his pricetag moves accordingly.

Now that we know what the low point is, and what the pricing is for a 2nd pair D-man (look at what legit league top 10 dman Subban went for), the offer can be amended to:

Risto for Pulju, Bear, Safin, Gagner less 500k, 3rd and 3rd. More than enough to land Risto.


You can't compare what subban went for since it was a pure cap move. That's not the package you have up for risto. Everyone is trying to trade for risto because they know he is actually a decent dman in an incorrect role and they are calling him trash so they can try to give up nothing for him. I'm fine with keeping risto because I don't want to get trash in return for him and him ending up being a quality player.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:01 a.m.
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Quoting: wojme
You can't compare what subban went for since it was a pure cap move. That's not the package you have up for risto. Everyone is trying to trade for risto because they know he is actually a decent dman in an incorrect role and they are calling him trash so they can try to give up nothing for him. I'm fine with keeping risto because I don't want to get trash in return for him and him ending up being a quality player.


Wasn't quite the cap move you'd think that would warrant such a steep dropoff in price.
They could have still iced a team with Subban on it, they just wouldnt have been able to sign Duchene to an 8M AAV deal.

Pure cap moves are what Toronto did with the Zaitsev+, Marleau+ deals: up against the cap with less than a full roster on the books / impending RFA's that would have been stranded.

Wants vs Needs basically.

Risto is a good 3-4 dman. Price him as such.
Getting 1 NHL player, a former 4th overall pick, 2 prospects, and 2 3rd round picks is in the ballpark.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: Miguelicious
Wasn't quite the cap move you'd think that would warrant such a steep dropoff in price.
They could have still iced a team with Subban on it, they just wouldnt have been able to sign Duchene to an 8M AAV deal.

Pure cap moves are what Toronto did with the Zaitsev+, Marleau+ deals: up against the cap with less than a full roster on the books / impending RFA's that would have been stranded.

Wants vs Needs basically.

Risto is a good 3-4 dman. Price him as such.
Getting 1 NHL player, a former 4th overall pick, 2 prospects, and 2 3rd round picks is in the ballpark.


Except that's not what the sabres would be looking for. Once again quality over quantity.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:27 a.m.
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Except that's not what the sabres would be looking for. Once again quality over quantity.


Alright, good luck with that. Edm would be foolish to give up anything more.
After all, Chiarelli isnt HNIC anymore lmao
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:30 a.m.
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Alright, good luck with that. Edm would be foolish to give up anything more.
After all, Chiarelli isnt HNIC anymore lmao


You're not getting the quality vs quantity aspect. That would be a decent package if the sabres were looking for multiple pieces but they really shouldn't be. Sabres would probably looking for one quality piece in return.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:33 a.m.
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Quoting: feds91stammer
LMAO Risto is bad...


Quoting: wojme
Lmao stop being a sheep.


Quoting: feds91stammer
lol says the biased sabres fan that thinks Risto is good.


It is Feds91stammer's life mission to find every Ristolainen trade on Capfriendly.com and comment that Risto isn't good. You know, in case we haven't seen any of his other 100 comments about "RistLOLainen".
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Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Miguelicious
Alright, good luck with that. Edm would be foolish to give up anything more.
After all, Chiarelli isnt HNIC anymore lmao


We can just keep him and further develop Jokiharju if you don't get the offer you want. Easy problem to solve.
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Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:38 a.m.
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It is Feds91stammer's life mission to find every Ristolainen trade on Capfriendly.com and comment that Risto isn't good. You know, in case we haven't seen any of his other 100 comments about "RistLOLainen".


nah. people just trade him 1000 times a day on here for unrealistic returns...
Aug. 13, 2019 at 1:04 p.m.
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nah. people just trade him 1000 times a day on here for unrealistic returns...


Lmao just teasing. I agree it's painful as a somewhat level headed sabres fan.
 
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