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Trade Horny

Created by: dewbee
Initial Creation Date: Aug 13, 2019
Published: Aug 13, 2019 at 6:57 pm
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Pettersson, Marcus5$3,000,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Bonino, Nick
NSH
  1. Hörnqvist, Patric
PIT
  1. Frolík, Michael
CGY
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. Rust, Bryan
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,170,833$132,500$3,062,500$329,167
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
McCann, Jared
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
$4,100,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
PIT
Kahun, Dominik
$925,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
NSH
Bonino, Nick
$4,100,000
C
UFA - 2
CGY
Frolík, Michael
$4,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 4
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
G
RFA - 1
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
PIT
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
$863,333
LD
RFA - 3
PIT
Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Simon, Dominik
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$850,000
D
RFA - 1

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Aug 13, 2019 at 6:58
#1
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Finally people are starting to realize that Horny is the one that needs to go (that has any chance at being slightly movable) to get us under the cap next year
Aug 13, 2019 at 6:59
#2
Burgers and Hockey
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2 years of declining Bonino > 4 years of declining Hörnqvist

1 year or Frolik > 4 years of Johnson. Can't afford to take Rust.

Try again.
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Aug 13, 2019 at 7:42
#3
mhockey91
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
2 years of declining Bonino > 4 years of declining Hörnqvist

1 year or Frolik > 4 years of Johnson. Can't afford to take Rust.

Try again.


I still think hornqvist has some value. Nashville doesn’t have cap space to afford him but I could see a team like Carolina or Buffalo being interested
Aug 13, 2019 at 7:46
#4
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Finally people are starting to realize that Horny is the one that needs to go (that has any chance at being slightly movable) to get us under the cap next year


Poor take
Aug 13, 2019 at 7:46
#5
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
2 years of declining Bonino > 4 years of declining Hörnqvist

1 year or Frolik > 4 years of Johnson. Can't afford to take Rust.

Try again.


Poor take
Aug 13, 2019 at 7:47
#6
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Quoting: mhockey91
I still think hornqvist has some value. Nashville doesn’t have cap space to afford him but I could see a team like Carolina or Buffalo being interested


Better take than normal.
Aug 13, 2019 at 7:52
#7
Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: mhockey91
I still think hornqvist has some value. Nashville doesn’t have cap space to afford him but I could see a team like Carolina or Buffalo being interested


BUF has less cap space than Preds. CAR has $1M more, but after they sign Williams they don't have even that.
Aug 13, 2019 at 7:52
#8
Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: DonkeyLips
Poor take


Nothing poor in there.
Aug 13, 2019 at 9:25
#9
mhockey91
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Quoting: DonkeyLips
Better take than normal.


You over rate a lot of penguins
Aug 13, 2019 at 9:25
#10
mhockey91
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
BUF has less cap space than Preds. CAR has $1M more, but after they sign Williams they don't have even that.


If Carolina doesn’t resign Williams I can see it. He’s a great analytic guy
Aug 13, 2019 at 9:27
#11
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I like turtles
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Aug 14, 2019 at 8:32
#12
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Quoting: mhockey91
You over rate a lot of penguins


I try to look at things objectively and realistically. A lot of people on this site let their personal feelings cloud their ability to properly analyze players.
Aug 14, 2019 at 11:19
#13
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Finally people are starting to realize that Horny is the one that needs to go (that has any chance at being slightly movable) to get us under the cap next year


pretty sure he has a full no trade clause through the 20-21 season before it turns into a limited no trade clause....unfortunately, i don't think he is going anywhere...but I agree he needs to go
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Aug 14, 2019 at 11:22
#14
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Quoting: mhockey91
I still think hornqvist has some value. Nashville doesn’t have cap space to afford him but I could see a team like Carolina or Buffalo being interested


he has value, he's just on a bad contract....but then again, most of the pens players not named Crosby/Dumo/Guentzel are it seems.
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Aug 14, 2019 at 3:55
#15
mhockey91
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Quoting: tom
he has value, he's just on a bad contract....but then again, most of the pens players not named Crosby/Dumo/Guentzel are it seems.


Letang, Malkin, Murray, etc..
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Aug 14, 2019 at 4:13
#16
Habs/Pens fan
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Quoting: mhockey91
Letang, Malkin, Murray, etc..


Murray expires this year. So I wouldn't count it, until the new is signed.
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Aug 14, 2019 at 4:23
#17
mhockey91
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
Murray expires this year. So I wouldn't count it, until the new is signed.


I remember when pens won back to back cups and their worst contracts were Kunitz and Daley. Both made under 4 million and were major contributors to our sucesss
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:24
#18
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Quoting: mhockey91
Letang, Malkin, Murray, etc..


When they signed Letang to that contract, I hated it...thought it was too much for too long for a guy who couldn't and can't stay healthy. At 7+ mill I still think it's too steep. The Malkin contract is ok, not great...At 9.5 mil, it's not like it's huge value or anything. He and Malkin come up at the same time after 3 seasons too...Murray's contract was good, but he's up at the end of the year.
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:25
#19
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Quoting: mhockey91
I remember when pens won back to back cups and their worst contracts were Kunitz and Daley. Both made under 4 million and were major contributors to our sucesss


The Letang contract was the worst IMO. Paying a guy 7.25 mil who didn't even play, and still won the 2nd cup.
Aug 15, 2019 at 3:52
#20
mhockey91
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Quoting: tom
The Letang contract was the worst IMO. Paying a guy 7.25 mil who didn't even play, and still won the 2nd cup.


Quoting: tom
When they signed Letang to that contract, I hated it...thought it was too much for too long for a guy who couldn't and can't stay healthy. At 7+ mill I still think it's too steep. The Malkin contract is ok, not great...At 9.5 mil, it's not like it's huge value or anything. He and Malkin come up at the same time after 3 seasons too...Murray's contract was good, but he's up at the end of the year.


Letang is one of the best defensemen in the leauge when healthy. Malkin has been over a point per game every single season of his career except once. Those contracts are both very fair. Malkin would make over 11 million on an open market and letang would make around 9.
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