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Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:41 p.m.
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Some of these are accurate some are hilariously inacccurate

Bob is significantly better than price. Price has had one good season in the last 4

Atkinson has 41 goals last year and was tied for 6th in the league

Brayden Schenn is an okay number 1 C and excellent #2 c

Compher is significantly better than Lehkonen

Bernier is better than Kinkaid
Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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Good job, think it is mostly good! I going really like Buff and Weber, only one I don't like. Maybe Alex or Slavin.
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Some of these are accurate some are hilariously inacccurate

Bob is significantly better than price. Price has had one good season in the last 4

Atkinson has 41 goals last year and was tied for 6th in the league

Brayden Schenn is an okay number 1 C and excellent #2 c

Compher is significantly better than Lehkonen

Bernier is better than Kinkaid


Price > Bob ( not even a question )
Atkinson > Gally ( this one was hard )
Schenn > Danault ( a little bit )
Lehkonen >> Compher ( come on )
Bernier = Kinkaid ( meh )
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Aug. 13, 2019 at 10:59 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Some of these are accurate some are hilariously inacccurate

Bob is significantly better than price. Price has had one good season in the last 4

Atkinson has 41 goals last year and was tied for 6th in the league

Brayden Schenn is an okay number 1 C and excellent #2 c

Compher is significantly better than Lehkonen

Bernier is better than Kinkaid


Let’s compare the last 5 years:
2014-15 Price ,933 Bob ,918
2015-16 Price ,934 Bob ,908
2016-17 Price ,923 Bob ,931
2017-18 Price ,900 Bob ,921
2018-19 Price ,918 Bob ,913
Average Price ,922 Bob ,918

Obviously, this kind on stat doesn’t take into account quality of defense in front of the goalie for those years.
I think Price looked like his usual self from December onward. Get ready for more this season!
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Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:22 p.m.
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Price > Bob ( not even a question )
Atkinson > Gally ( this one was hard )
Schenn > Danault ( a little bit )
Lehkonen >> Compher ( come on )
Bernier = Kinkaid ( meh )


Schenn vs Danault

Over the last 3 years Schenn has 70 goals (tied for 62nd in the league) to Danault's 33 (or 236th in the league). Literally less than half http://hkref.com/tiny/mpFq1

Same story for points. Schenn has 179 which is tied for 54th. Danault has 118 which is tied for 160th. He has less than 2/3rds the points. http://hkref.com/tiny/tHTdW

To compare them is nuts
Price is riding off having great seasons about 4 years ago.

Over the last three seasons (http://hkref.com/tiny/J6fJd)
Bob is first win wins 115 to Price who is tied for 10th with 88
Bob is second in save percentage with a 922 to Price who is tied for 14th with a 0.915
Bob is tied for second in GAA with 2.35, Price is 10th with a 2.57

Price was the best goalie in the world 4 and 5 seasons ago. Then he had a good season then a terrible season then an okay one. Bob has been indisputably better.

Lehkonen vs Compher
First comparison is 3 years as I did above for all of them
In the last 3 years Lehkonen has 41 goals and 80 pts in 219 gp
Compher has 32 goals and 60 points in 156 gp. It does make
That's Lehkonen 0.19 gpg and 0.37 ppg
Compher 0.21 gpg and 0.38 ppg.

So Compher comes out a little ahead. But frankly it's an unfair comparison as Compher didn't really make the league until the last two years as a regular. If we look at that:

Lehkonen 33 g and 52 pts in 148 gp
Which works out to 0.22 gpg and 0.35 ppg
Compher 29 g and 55 pts in 135 gp
0.21 gpg and 0.41 ppg

I'm admittedly surprised that Lekonens goal scoring was a hair better

Atkinson was 7th in goals last year and cracked 40 goals. Must I really show why he is significantly better than Gally?
But I will
Same list as Danault and Schenn above as they're both established over last 3 years
Atkinson has 100 goals over the last 3 years and is 15th in the league in goal scoring in that time. Let that sink in.
Gallagher has 74 and is 53rd in the league
Atkinson has 177 pts (57th
Gallagher has 135 and is tied for 123rd.

Atkinson is quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. Gallagher is good but it isn't close

Whatever about the goalies
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:30 p.m.
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Quoting: El_Yogi
Let’s compare the last 5 years:
2014-15 Price ,933 Bob ,918
2015-16 Price ,934 Bob ,908
2016-17 Price ,923 Bob ,931
2017-18 Price ,900 Bob ,921
2018-19 Price ,918 Bob ,913
Average Price ,922 Bob ,918

Obviously, this kind on stat doesn’t take into account quality of defense in front of the goalie for those years.
I think Price looked like his usual self from December onward. Get ready for more this season!


I addressed price vs bob above

Price was the best goalie in the league 4 and 5 years ago. Your analysis is just showing that. Since then he has had a good season, a god awful season and an okay season.
Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:54 p.m.
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Some of these are accurate some are hilariously inacccurate

Bob is significantly better than price. Price has had one good season in the last 4

Atkinson has 41 goals last year and was tied for 6th in the league

Brayden Schenn is an okay number 1 C and excellent #2 c

Compher is significantly better than Lehkonen

Bernier is better than Kinkaid


Bobo has how many Conference Finals Appearances?

Price 2
Bobo 0

Bobo is the better individual player
Price is the better team leader

come playoffs ask anyone with a clue about how they've played in the post season would take Price over Bobo
Price was on lesser teams and went further then Bobo who played with multiple 80 point + players something MTL hasnt had since Kovalev was here .

not to forget MB blew up our LD core 3 times since 2014
we've went through Gilbert , Gorges,Boullion ,Diaz , Weaver,Murray,Pateryn , Bealieu,Markov , Emelin , Nesterov,Barberio,Redmond , Benn, Alzner , Morrow , Reilly , Schlemko , Jerabek , Davidson ,Oulette ,and now Kulak , Mete , and Chariot

that just on LD alone not including a lot of players who played 10 games or other like Ellis , Hanley,Johanson , Lernot , Sergachev and about a dozen others in that time frame that all player LD . our RD has not changed a huge amount outside Weber trade for Subban , if anything its the deepest its ever been

Price faced a lot of changes to adapt to but for the first time in a long time he's got a consistent 6 man D core infront of him capable of Shot blocking and hitting while also remaining mobile point producer's . i think as our D core gets younger and more aggressive that Price will become more dominant .

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Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:56 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Schenn vs Danault

Over the last 3 years Schenn has 70 goals (tied for 62nd in the league) to Danault's 33 (or 236th in the league). Literally less than half http://hkref.com/tiny/mpFq1

Same story for points. Schenn has 179 which is tied for 54th. Danault has 118 which is tied for 160th. He has less than 2/3rds the points. http://hkref.com/tiny/tHTdW

To compare them is nuts
Price is riding off having great seasons about 4 years ago.

Over the last three seasons (http://hkref.com/tiny/J6fJd)
Bob is first win wins 115 to Price who is tied for 10th with 88
Bob is second in save percentage with a 922 to Price who is tied for 14th with a 0.915
Bob is tied for second in GAA with 2.35, Price is 10th with a 2.57

Price was the best goalie in the world 4 and 5 seasons ago. Then he had a good season then a terrible season then an okay one. Bob has been indisputably better.

Lehkonen vs Compher
First comparison is 3 years as I did above for all of them
In the last 3 years Lehkonen has 41 goals and 80 pts in 219 gp
Compher has 32 goals and 60 points in 156 gp. It does make
That's Lehkonen 0.19 gpg and 0.37 ppg
Compher 0.21 gpg and 0.38 ppg.

So Compher comes out a little ahead. But frankly it's an unfair comparison as Compher didn't really make the league until the last two years as a regular. If we look at that:

Lehkonen 33 g and 52 pts in 148 gp
Which works out to 0.22 gpg and 0.35 ppg
Compher 29 g and 55 pts in 135 gp
0.21 gpg and 0.41 ppg

I'm admittedly surprised that Lekonens goal scoring was a hair better

Atkinson was 7th in goals last year and cracked 40 goals. Must I really show why he is significantly better than Gally?
But I will
Same list as Danault and Schenn above as they're both established over last 3 years
Atkinson has 100 goals over the last 3 years and is 15th in the league in goal scoring in that time. Let that sink in.
Gallagher has 74 and is 53rd in the league
Atkinson has 177 pts (57th
Gallagher has 135 and is tied for 123rd.

Atkinson is quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. Gallagher is good but it isn't close

Whatever about the goalies


Quoting: BCAPP
I addressed price vs bob above

Price was the best goalie in the league 4 and 5 years ago. Your analysis is just showing that. Since then he has had a good season, a god awful season and an okay season.


You guys are **** are what ? Look at MTL defense the last 3 years ! No goalie can have nice stats when you have guys like Schlemko Reilly Benn in your TOP 4 !
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Aug. 13, 2019 at 11:57 p.m.
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Schenn vs Danault

Over the last 3 years Schenn has 70 goals (tied for 62nd in the league) to Danault's 33 (or 236th in the league). Literally less than half http://hkref.com/tiny/mpFq1

Same story for points. Schenn has 179 which is tied for 54th. Danault has 118 which is tied for 160th. He has less than 2/3rds the points. http://hkref.com/tiny/tHTdW

To compare them is nuts
Price is riding off having great seasons about 4 years ago.

Over the last three seasons (http://hkref.com/tiny/J6fJd)
Bob is first win wins 115 to Price who is tied for 10th with 88
Bob is second in save percentage with a 922 to Price who is tied for 14th with a 0.915
Bob is tied for second in GAA with 2.35, Price is 10th with a 2.57

Price was the best goalie in the world 4 and 5 seasons ago. Then he had a good season then a terrible season then an okay one. Bob has been indisputably better.

Lehkonen vs Compher
First comparison is 3 years as I did above for all of them
In the last 3 years Lehkonen has 41 goals and 80 pts in 219 gp
Compher has 32 goals and 60 points in 156 gp. It does make
That's Lehkonen 0.19 gpg and 0.37 ppg
Compher 0.21 gpg and 0.38 ppg.

So Compher comes out a little ahead. But frankly it's an unfair comparison as Compher didn't really make the league until the last two years as a regular. If we look at that:

Lehkonen 33 g and 52 pts in 148 gp
Which works out to 0.22 gpg and 0.35 ppg
Compher 29 g and 55 pts in 135 gp
0.21 gpg and 0.41 ppg

I'm admittedly surprised that Lekonens goal scoring was a hair better

Atkinson was 7th in goals last year and cracked 40 goals. Must I really show why he is significantly better than Gally?
But I will
Same list as Danault and Schenn above as they're both established over last 3 years
Atkinson has 100 goals over the last 3 years and is 15th in the league in goal scoring in that time. Let that sink in.
Gallagher has 74 and is 53rd in the league
Atkinson has 177 pts (57th
Gallagher has 135 and is tied for 123rd.

Atkinson is quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. Gallagher is good but it isn't close

Whatever about the goalies


You are only looking at points, Lehkonen is way better defensively & overall than Compher and Danault was 7th for the Selke.
Aug. 14, 2019 at 12:13 a.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Schenn vs Danault

Over the last 3 years Schenn has 70 goals (tied for 62nd in the league) to Danault's 33 (or 236th in the league). Literally less than half http://hkref.com/tiny/mpFq1

Same story for points. Schenn has 179 which is tied for 54th. Danault has 118 which is tied for 160th. He has less than 2/3rds the points. http://hkref.com/tiny/tHTdW

To compare them is nuts
Price is riding off having great seasons about 4 years ago.

Over the last three seasons (http://hkref.com/tiny/J6fJd)
Bob is first win wins 115 to Price who is tied for 10th with 88
Bob is second in save percentage with a 922 to Price who is tied for 14th with a 0.915
Bob is tied for second in GAA with 2.35, Price is 10th with a 2.57

Price was the best goalie in the world 4 and 5 seasons ago. Then he had a good season then a terrible season then an okay one. Bob has been indisputably better.

Lehkonen vs Compher
First comparison is 3 years as I did above for all of them
In the last 3 years Lehkonen has 41 goals and 80 pts in 219 gp
Compher has 32 goals and 60 points in 156 gp. It does make
That's Lehkonen 0.19 gpg and 0.37 ppg
Compher 0.21 gpg and 0.38 ppg.

So Compher comes out a little ahead. But frankly it's an unfair comparison as Compher didn't really make the league until the last two years as a regular. If we look at that:

Lehkonen 33 g and 52 pts in 148 gp
Which works out to 0.22 gpg and 0.35 ppg
Compher 29 g and 55 pts in 135 gp
0.21 gpg and 0.41 ppg

I'm admittedly surprised that Lekonens goal scoring was a hair better

Atkinson was 7th in goals last year and cracked 40 goals. Must I really show why he is significantly better than Gally?
But I will
Same list as Danault and Schenn above as they're both established over last 3 years
Atkinson has 100 goals over the last 3 years and is 15th in the league in goal scoring in that time. Let that sink in.
Gallagher has 74 and is 53rd in the league
Atkinson has 177 pts (57th
Gallagher has 135 and is tied for 123rd.

Atkinson is quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. Gallagher is good but it isn't close

Whatever about the goalies


Atkinson and Gallagher I'd say Gallagher because he is more annoying for the other team, wich should be taken into account, you can't just look at some things, you gotta look at it as a whole. Chiasson got 22 goals this year, do you think playing with McDavid wasn't a factor?
Aug. 14, 2019 at 6:26 a.m.
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Good job, think it is mostly good! I going really like Buff and Weber, only one I don't like. Maybe Alex or Slavin.


Slavin is a top 10 D man in the league on a steal of a contract, Weber isn't that anymore, I'd argue someone like Doughty who's clearly starting to decline would have the same round average value because of the bad contracts just my though
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Aug. 14, 2019 at 8:02 a.m.
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Lehkonen vs Compher
First comparison is 3 years as I did above for all of them
In the last 3 years Lehkonen has 41 goals and 80 pts in 219 gp
Compher has 32 goals and 60 points in 156 gp. It does make
That's Lehkonen 0.19 gpg and 0.37 ppg
Compher 0.21 gpg and 0.38 ppg.

So Compher comes out a little ahead. But frankly it's an unfair comparison as Compher didn't really make the league until the last two years as a regular. If we look at that:

Lehkonen 33 g and 52 pts in 148 gp
Which works out to 0.22 gpg and 0.35 ppg
Compher 29 g and 55 pts in 135 gp
0.21 gpg and 0.41 ppg

I'm admittedly surprised that Lekonens goal scoring was a hair better

Atkinson was 7th in goals last year and cracked 40 goals. Must I really show why he is significantly better than Gally?
But I will
Same list as Danault and Schenn above as they're both established over last 3 years
Atkinson has 100 goals over the last 3 years and is 15th in the league in goal scoring in that time. Let that sink in.
Gallagher has 74 and is 53rd in the league
Atkinson has 177 pts (57th
Gallagher has 135 and is tied for 123rd.

Atkinson is quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. Gallagher is good but it isn't close


Lehkonen is so underrated. I'm glad you underlined his goal production. On top of that, he gets a crazy amount of goal opportunies (post hits).

I would be interested to see Lehkonen compared to Labanc. Yes, I'm serious.

Gallager is similar to Atkinson because of their low cap hit contracts. Same bang for your buck.
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Aug. 14, 2019 at 11:05 a.m.
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Problem is no two players are perfectly identical in value. So comparing is always going to be a little off.

Compher, Lehkonen...who cares really? Maybe Lehkonen is a 3rd rounder less good than Compher, maybe its vice versa. Its splitting hairs at that point. Both guys are good and could probably do what the other guy would do stat wise.

Gauging goalies abilities is virtually impossible. Remember when Fleury was a bum and a cap dump leaving Pittsburgh? Once again, who cares whose a 3rd rounder in value better. Goalies could be one of the worst goalies to one of the best from year to year. Has to do a bit with the team in front of them too.
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