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2019-20 Blockbuster to Rebuild on the Fly

Created by: bbell080
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 14, 2019
Published: Aug. 14, 2019
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I think that the Pens either make a big move soon, or they slowly die, because you can only keep the two big C's for so long before they both decline, and it is better, in my opinion, to move one to let a new generation grow behind the older one.

I'm suggesting a big trade with NJD with unfortunately keeps Malkin in the division. NJD gets a big time centre to pair with Hall and convince him to stay. Lets Hughes play second line minutes and shine away from top units. Hischier and Butcher make the Pens better for the future. Hischier gets to learn from one of the best centres ever and Butcher gives the Pens some jump on the backend. Because Malkin is a star, the return also includes a prospect and some picks, but I think it's worth it for NJD if they're serious about contending now.
Free Agent Signings
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1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Butcher, Will
  2. Hischier, Nico
  3. Thompson, Tyce [Reserve List]
  4. 2020 1st round pick (NJD)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (NJD)
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PIT
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Jaros, Christian
  3. 2020 6th round pick (STL)
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Two D from each team. Contract dump for Pittsburgh. Sens get to avoid paying raises to their own guys, and these two help them stay at the floor for the next couple years until Melnyk can sell the team.
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  1. Gudbranson, Erik
  2. Johnson, Jack
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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23$81,500,000$67,305,264$132,500$5,700,000$14,194,736

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Aug. 14, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.
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Probably zero chance Jersey does that
Aug. 14, 2019 at 3:13 p.m.
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Nico is such a disappointment.
By Malkins 2nd year in the league he was putting up 47 goals and 106 points.
Nico there is a 20 goal 50 point guy....1st over all. No wonder NJ isn't making the playoffs.
Aug. 14, 2019 at 3:35 p.m.
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Probably zero chance Jersey does that


I don’t even know what Malkin’s value is anymore. Everyone is saying he is no longer a top 20 centre in the league, but last season he still scored at a point per game pace despite not being at his best. He still demonstrated his skillset was elite. A few months ago, a Panthers fan suggested Malkin + 1st Round pick for Trocheck.
Aug. 14, 2019 at 3:38 p.m.
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I don’t even know what Malkin’s value is anymore. Everyone is saying he is no longer a top 20 centre in the league, but last season he still scored at a point per game pace despite not being at his best. He still demonstrated his skillset was elite. A few months ago, a Panthers fan suggested Malkin + 1st Round pick for Trocheck.


Currently Malkin is still a top 20 probably top 10 center, but will probably decline with age. To a team like NJ who is fine with hischier and Hughes for the future, there is no reason to leverage the team for a few years of success.
Aug. 14, 2019 at 3:40 p.m.
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Currently Malkin is still a top 20 probably top 10 center, but will probably decline with age. To a team like NJ who is fine with hischier and Hughes for the future, there is no reason to leverage the team for a few years of success.


I agree. I am making a thread of possibilities in trading Malkin to every team. I will show you when I’m done.
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Aug. 14, 2019 at 8:41 p.m.
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Nico is such a disappointment.


Through two seasons...

MacKinnon 146 GP, 38 goals, 63 assists, +13
Hischier 151 GP, 37 goals, 62 assists, +10

Could add Marner, Barkov, Draisaitl...any number of stars. But this was not even worthy of a response to begin with...

NJD says no thanks to trade
Aug. 15, 2019 at 2:37 a.m.
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Through two seasons...

MacKinnon 146 GP, 38 goals, 63 assists, +13
Hischier 151 GP, 37 goals, 62 assists, +10

Could add Marner, Barkov, Draisaitl...any number of stars. But this was not even worthy of a response to begin with...

NJD says no thanks to trade


season 2, McDavid, 30 goals 100 points.
crosby 36 goals 120 pts.

To pick first and not get a generational talent.....such disappointment.
Aug. 15, 2019 at 6:26 a.m.
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season 2, McDavid, 30 goals 100 points.
crosby 36 goals 120 pts.

To pick first and not get a generational talent.....such disappointment.


By that standard, every 1st pick except Crosby and McDavid are disappointments. I don't think many share that view.

But welcome to hockey. The sport is always happy to have new fans.
Aug. 15, 2019 at 10:59 a.m.
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By that standard, every 1st pick except Crosby and McDavid are disappointments. I don't think many share that view.

But welcome to hockey. The sport is always happy to have new fans.


not true at all. Stamkos 51 goals 95 points
OV 46 goals 92 points.

I could go on but welcome to hockey.
Some 1st round picks are real difference makers and what teams expect for picking 1st overall. Others are just disappointments. A 52 point high is pathetic. He should easily be in the 70-80 point range as a 1st over all at the very least. But he's not.
If I was building a team and selecting 1st over all and ended up with a guy who only put up 52 points a year I'd be pissed.
Aug. 15, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Nico is such a disappointment.
By Malkins 2nd year in the league he was putting up 47 goals and 106 points.
Nico there is a 20 goal 50 point guy....1st over all. No wonder NJ isn't making the playoffs.


By Malkin's 2nd year after the draft, he had still yet to play in an NHL game. Nico has played in 151 games.

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Some 1st round picks are real difference makers and what teams expect for picking 1st overall. Others are just disappointments. A 52 point high is pathetic. He should easily be in the 70-80 point range as a 1st over all at the very least. But he's not.
If I was building a team and selecting 1st over all and ended up with a guy who only put up 52 points a year I'd be pissed.


That is just plain dumb. The list of 1oa guys that have 80+ pts in 2nd year is very small (Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Stamkos, Hawerchuk, and Turgeon). All of the rest must be busts.

Also, Hischier's game is as a two-way center, of which he is one of the more developed the game has seen. The list of 1oa or 2oa forwards over the last forty (40) years that have 40+ points with +/-0 or better is as follows:

Crosby (2005): 222 pts, +9
McDavid (2015): 148 pts, +26
Laine (2016): 134 pts, +15
Matthews (2016): 132 pts, +27
MacKinnon (2013): 101 pts, +13
HISCHIER (2017): 99 pts, +10
Turnbull (1979): 91 pts, +4
Seguin (2010); 89 pts, +30
Marleau (1997): 77 pts, +15
J. Staal (2006): 70 pts, +11
Landeskog (2011): 69 pts, +16

(add Lawton, Madono, Turgeon, Thornton, Barkov if you drop threshold to -10)
Aug. 15, 2019 at 5:38 p.m.
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By Malkin's 2nd year after the draft, he had still yet to play in an NHL game. Nico has played in 151 games.



That is just plain dumb. The list of 1oa guys that have 80+ pts in 2nd year is very small (Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Stamkos, Hawerchuk, and Turgeon). All of the rest must be busts.

Also, Hischier's game is as a two-way center, of which he is one of the more developed the game has seen. The list of 1oa or 2oa forwards over the last forty (40) years that have 40+ points with +/-0 or better is as follows:

Crosby (2005): 222 pts, +9
McDavid (2015): 148 pts, +26
Laine (2016): 134 pts, +15
Matthews (2016): 132 pts, +27
MacKinnon (2013): 101 pts, +13
HISCHIER (2017): 99 pts, +10
Turnbull (1979): 91 pts, +4
Seguin (2010); 89 pts, +30
Marleau (1997): 77 pts, +15
J. Staal (2006): 70 pts, +11
Landeskog (2011): 69 pts, +16

(add Lawton, Madono, Turgeon, Thornton, Barkov if you drop threshold to -10)


when you try to use +/- tears of joy

Who are you kidding, the list of 1st over all is already small, when you are naming tons of guys on it that proves the point. 70-80 point players at least by their second year playing is what anyone is expecting from a guy drafted 1st overall. No one wants to draft a guy 1st over all and he puts up 40-50 point seasons. NO one.

As for Malkin, if he would have came over earlier he would have still it it up are you kidding me. I don't even know where you get this crap.

Get over it, 40-50 points for a 1st over all is disappointing. Period. Do better
Aug. 16, 2019 at 6:07 a.m.
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when you try to use +/- tears of joy

Who are you kidding, the list of 1st over all is already small, when you are naming tons of guys on it that proves the point. 70-80 point players at least by their second year playing is what anyone is expecting from a guy drafted 1st overall. No one wants to draft a guy 1st over all and he puts up 40-50 point seasons. NO one.

As for Malkin, if he would have came over earlier he would have still it it up are you kidding me. I don't even know where you get this crap.

Get over it, 40-50 points for a 1st over all is disappointing. Period. Do better


You keep bring up Malkin. There is no way to compare Malkin and Hischier post-draft.

Malkin's year after the draft: 32 points in KHL
Hischier's year after the draft: 52 points in NHL

By your standard, here are lists of successes and disappointments among 1oa's in last 25 years:
- Success: Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Stamkos
- Disappointments: Kane, Taveras, Matthews, Hischier, Kovalchuk, Hall, MacKinnon, Thornton, Lecavallier, Nash, Nugent-Hopkins, Daigle, Yakupov, Stefan

So f'ing dumb. This conversation is over now. OK, bye.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 5:15 p.m.
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You keep bring up Malkin. There is no way to compare Malkin and Hischier post-draft.

Malkin's year after the draft: 32 points in KHL
Hischier's year after the draft: 52 points in NHL

By your standard, here are lists of successes and disappointments among 1oa's in last 25 years:
- Success: Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Stamkos
- Disappointments: Kane, Taveras, Matthews, Hischier, Kovalchuk, Hall, MacKinnon, Thornton, Lecavallier, Nash, Nugent-Hopkins, Daigle, Yakupov, Stefan

So f'ing dumb. This conversation is over now. OK, bye.


look at you keep trying with that weak garbage. Even Kane was a 70 point player in his 2nd year.
You want to keep going with 1st over all should put up 50 points, you go there!
It won't be me frustrated when the team never makes the playoffs.
Aug. 19, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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look at you keep trying with that weak garbage. Even Kane was a 70 point player in his 2nd year.
You want to keep going with 1st over all should put up 50 points, you go there!
It won't be me frustrated when the team never makes the playoffs.


No, but point totals in age-18 season (or age-19 season) tell me very little about whether they will be successful or not. And would never call a player a bust after his draft+2 season.
Aug. 19, 2019 at 11:45 p.m.
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No, but point totals in age-18 season (or age-19 season) tell me very little about whether they will be successful or not. And would never call a player a bust after his draft+2 season.


There are plenty of players I would call a bust after draft +2. I'm pretty sure we all knew Puljujärvi was a bust draft +2.
It is what it is. A 1st over all is suppose to be able to show he belongs at this level and is worth of the 1st over all. You can make excuses all day. 50 points is disappointing for a 1st over all. If McDavid, or Matthews or any other forward came out 1st over all and was a 50 pt player they would be hearing the same thing. Just because he plays for NJ doesn't mean he should be cut slack on it.
I'm not saying he's a total bust or not an NHL quality player, he is. But he's clearly not been worthy of the draft level of a 1st over all.
 
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