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Continuing the influx of youth on d

Created by: arafay
Initial Creation Date: Aug 14, 2019
Published: Aug 14 at 4:28 pm
Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
Team Explanation
I am assuming pionk has a good season next to JoMo and emerges as a top 4 d. However he is outplayed by niku to stay on the team. I also assume that Hallander has a decent season but emerges as a b prospect. So essentially, pionk for the first, hallander for Lowry.

The perreault trade is from the 2019 offseason to make room for a long term laine deal.

The final deal is a prospect 1 for 1. Both nhl ready and have similar upside (bottom 4 vs bottom six). It could be another prospect but it should be a somewhat large c

With 2 picks in very deep draft, the hope is that we draft a big, aggressive rd and a playmaking c (with large upside). Would consider trading down though if that is not available
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Samberg, Dylan2$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Appleton, Mason3$2,100,000
Connor, Kyle6$7,400,000
Morrissey, Joshua8$7,500,000
Laine, Patrik7$9,500,000
Niku, Sami3$3,000,000
Roslovic, Jack3$3,150,000
Spacek, Michael1$700,000
Suess, C.J.1$700,000
Vorobyov, Mikhail1$1,000,000
Trades
WPG
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Pionk, Neal
  2. Lowry, Adam
WPG
  1. 2021 4th round pick (ANA)
Any team
ANA
  1. Perreault, Mathieu
WPG
  1. Vorobyov, Mikhail [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Prospect 1 for 1
PHI
  1. Stanley, Logan
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
WPG
PIT
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2021
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ANA
WPG
WPG
2022
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,574,999$0$1,195,000$925,001
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
$8,250,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,400,000
LW
UFA - 6
WPG
Roslovic, Jack
$3,150,000
RW, C
RFA
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$9,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
WPG
Copp, Andrew
$2,280,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,666
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Vesalainen, Kristian
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 2
WPG
Spacek, Michael
$700,000
C
RFA
Vorobyov, Mikhail
$1,000,000
C
RFA
WPG
Appleton, Mason
$2,100,000
RW, C
RFA
WPG
Luoto, Joona
$741,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
WPG
Suess, C.J.
$700,000
LW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
$7,500,000
LD
UFA - 8
WPG
Byfuglien, Dustin
$7,600,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 4
WPG
Samberg, Dylan
$925,000
D
RFA
WPG
Niku, Sami
$3,000,000
RD
RFA
WPG
Berdin, Mikhail
$758,333
G
RFA - 1
WPG
Heinola, Ville
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
WPG
Kovacevic, Johnny
$792,500
LD
RFA - 1
WPG
Poolman, Tucker
$775,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug 14 at 4:30
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Pionk + Lowry does not get you a 1st alone. Maybe Pionk + Lowry vs Hallander + 5th round pick
Aug 14 at 4:32
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Quoting: Poehling
Pionk + Lowry does not get you a 1st alone. Maybe Pionk + Lowry vs Hallander + 5th round pick


Not now. I am assuming that pionk emerges as a top 4 d this season playing next to JoMo. Read the description bud

Do you agree that Lowry=hallander. Don’t really know who hallander is so don’t know his value. But any b prospect really
Aug 14 at 5:11
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Quoting: arafay
Not now. I am assuming that pionk emerges as a top 4 d this season playing next to JoMo. Read the description bud

Do you agree that Lowry=hallander. Don’t really know who hallander is so don’t know his value. But any b prospect really


Don’t get ur hopes high on pionk... the kid sucks. It was an awful trade that the jets made
Aug 14 at 5:34
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Edited Aug 14 at 5:39
Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
Don’t get ur hopes high on pionk... the kid sucks. It was an awful trade that the jets made


Not exactly awful considering Trouba told the jets there was no other place where he would be willing to play long-term. However taking that into consideration, it was okay. Heinola is looking really good, and pionk also has some potential. You can teach defence but not offence and puck moving. The kid is great with the puck and does it right. He had 26 pts as a rookie. Let’s give him more than one overused season before saying he sucks.

With JoMo as his d partner, he won’t need to worry about the defensive side of the puck too much. He can focus on the other aspect. In NY he was tasked with being a top pairing guy for them in his first season which is too much. In WPG, he will not be asked to be a top pairing guy since we already have JoMo and buff who are both elite. He just needs to do what he does best, puck moving, which is something he jets severely lacked last season. Add that to the fact that pionk’s main offseason work will be adding strength and positioning, I think he will exceed expectations. He is already good offensively, but he might be half decent in our own end, which is more than what we could ask for from the kid
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Aug 15 at 10:44
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Quoting: arafay
Not exactly awful considering Trouba told the jets there was no other place where he would be willing to play long-term. However taking that into consideration, it was okay. Heinola is looking really good, and pionk also has some potential. You can teach defence but not offence and puck moving. The kid is great with the puck and does it right. He had 26 pts as a rookie. Let’s give him more than one overused season before saying he sucks. ]
Aug 15 at 1:37
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Quoting: mrright


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Aug 15 at 2:14
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Quoting: arafay
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Apologies it didn't paste. I was agreeing with your comment.

I think Pionk could turn out to be a top 4 D for us as the Jets can properly develop players.

I also said how we were backed into a corner with trading Trouba. Usually the team who trades the better player to being with loses value in return, but when we know we cannot sign him and he only has limited teams he would be willing to sign with it puts us in a tough spot. That being said I think we made out alright with Pionk and Heinola.

It will be interesting to see but I think those two are going to be a big part of our future on D but I like the way both of them play thus far and believe with proper development they will be great players.
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Aug 15 at 2:26
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Quoting: mrright
Apologies it didn't paste. I was agreeing with your comment.

I think Pionk could turn out to be a top 4 D for us as the Jets can properly develop players.

I also said how we were backed into a corner with trading Trouba. Usually the team who trades the better player to being with loses value in return, but when we know we cannot sign him and he only has limited teams he would be willing to sign with it puts us in a tough spot. That being said I think we made out alright with Pionk and Heinola.

It will be interesting to see but I think those two are going to be a big part of our future on D but I like the way both of them play thus far and believe with proper development they will be great players.


Heinola is incredible. I haven’t seen that much skill in a jets defencemen ever. Like JoMo and niku are great, but heinola is on a different level. He is known as heiskanen lite by scouts. If he can improve his skating, he could be elit

Pionk should benefit from a defensively responsible partner as he can focus on what he does best, while slowly learning the other side of the game
Aug 15 at 3:02
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Quoting: arafay
Heinola is incredible. I haven’t seen that much skill in a jets defencemen ever. Like JoMo and niku are great, but heinola is on a different level. He is known as heiskanen lite by scouts. If he can improve his skating, he could be elit

Pionk should benefit from a defensively responsible partner as he can focus on what he does best, while slowly learning the other side of the game


Yes I have heard that as well, not to mention as soon as we drafted him he instantly topped our board for prospects.

I know people may think that we have a huge hole on the defensive end but really its finally time for younger guys to step in and its not as bad as it may seem. Imagine what our D core will look like in 3 to 5 years, it could be very scary.

Just have to wait and see.
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Aug 15 at 5:53
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Quoting: mrright
Yes I have heard that as well, not to mention as soon as we drafted him he instantly topped our board for prospects.

I know people may think that we have a huge hole on the defensive end but really its finally time for younger guys to step in and its not as bad as it may seem. Imagine what our D core will look like in 3 to 5 years, it could be very scary.

Just have to wait and see.


Between kovacevic (who could become a very good #2), samberg, heinola, niku, and most likely buff, we can boost pionk’s value and then trade him for futures. Not to mention that we have gawanke, Chisholm, vallatti, and green who all have top 4 upside.

In 2 years (after the expansion draft) I see the lineup looking like
JoMo-buff
Samberg-niku
Heinola-kovacevic

Depending on how much buff declines and how far kovacevic develops, kovacevic and buff could be switched

The real challenge will be keeping all these guys after their elc’s however, defencemen bridges are cheap
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