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Created by: KCarry74
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 16, 2019
Published: Aug. 16, 2019
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7 pick in the first 2 rounds. Habs would trade a 1st + 2nd for a better first (let's say 4-5 position at the draft) and they can do it 3 times :)
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Robertson, Jason
  2. 2020 1st round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff ($1,500,000 retained)
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2.
MTL
  1. Crouse, Lawson
  2. 2020 1st round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Tatar, Tomas ($1,750,000 retained)
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3.
MTL
  1. Tolvanen, Eeli
  2. Turris, Kyle
  3. 2020 1st round pick (NSH)
Additional Details:
At this point, Turris is a cap dump. Most rumors are Nashville are willing to give a good pick (if we look at Marleau's trade, we know it 1st round) to get rid of his 5 years at 6M. They receive the perfect 3rd center at a ridiculously low price
NSH
  1. Danault, Phillip ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (WPG)
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Danault will fall down the center depth with KK and Poehling coming up. Also, Ikonen is looking great. KK - Poehling - Ikonen sure look like a good center depth.
4.
MTL
  1. 2020 6th round pick (ANA)
5.
MTL
  1. 2020 7th round pick (NJD)
6.
MTL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Byron, Paul ($400,000 retained)
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:23 a.m.
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good value for Byron but not sure if blues need him, try another team. Anaheim and NJ are probably indifferent. Switch the 1st from Nashville for a 3rd. He's a cap dump yet you have him on your 1st line. Arizona probably says yes since theyre competing but its a protected 1st. Dallas is the only one that says hell no. Robertson isnt going anywhere and they could get Risto instead of Petry without giving him up.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:25 a.m.
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Not a chance you’re getting tolvanen.. nvm a 1st to come with it HAHA
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:32 a.m.
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Stone couldn’t bring a first at the deadline last year when market value is through the roof. What makes you think MTL has players other that Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Domi, Price, maaaayyybe Gallagher that are worth a first? All of which you did not move.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Csick123
good value for Byron but not sure if blues need him, try another team. Anaheim and NJ are probably indifferent. Switch the 1st from Nashville for a 3rd. He's a cap dump yet you have him on your 1st line. Arizona probably says yes since theyre competing but its a protected 1st. Dallas is the only one that says hell no. Robertson isnt going anywhere and they could get Risto instead of Petry without giving him up.


he's on the first line but only because we don't have 1st line center.. yet. And NAS need him to go away before next year so yea, he's a dump.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:33 a.m.
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Stone couldn’t bring a first at the deadline last year when market value is through the roof. What makes you think MTL has players other that Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Domi, Price, maaaayyybe Gallagher that are worth a first? All of which you did not move.


Stone bring more than a 1st a TDL c'mon, Brannstrom is worth way more than a protected first
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:37 a.m.
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Quoting: KCarry74
Stone bring more than a 1st a TDL c'mon, Brannstrom is worth way more than a protected first


Brannstrom was probably worth a 3rd-7th overall in this year's draft
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:40 a.m.
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Stone bring more than a 1st a TDL c'mon, Brannstrom is worth way more than a protected first


And Stone is a better player than anyone I listed above in my previous comment but teams still didn’t want to give up a first, so why would they give up a first for any of the incredibly mediocre pieces you’ve moved in this post?
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:41 a.m.
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Brannstrom was probably worth a 3rd-7th overall in this year's draft


I think he's lost. We shoud help him. Stone doesn't bring back a 1st pick wow tears of joy
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:43 a.m.
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Quoting: SmugTkachuk
And Stone is a better player than anyone I listed above in my previous comment but teams still didn’t want to give up a first, so why would they give up a first for any of the incredibly mediocre pieces you’ve moved in this post?


Don't you get it ? Brannstrom is worth more than a 1st pick protected c'mon. Stone got an NHLer, a top 10 1st round pick and a prospect. Now those player with almost 50% retrained salary who are both top 6 or top 4 bring back a prospect and a lottery protected 1st round pick........
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:45 a.m.
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Don't you get it ? Brannstrom is worth more than a 1st pick protected c'mon. Stone got an NHLer, a top 10 1st round pick and a prospect. Now those player with almost 50% retrained salary who are both top 6 or top 4 bring back a prospect and a lottery protected 1st round pick........


And that’s fine, for Stone. My point has come back to why do you expect firsts for your middling packages?
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:47 a.m.
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Don't you get it ? Brannstrom is worth more than a 1st pick protected c'mon. Stone got an NHLer, a top 10 1st round pick and a prospect. Now those player with almost 50% retrained salary who are both top 6 or top 4 bring back a prospect and a lottery protected 1st round pick........


Brannstrom > Mid 1st round pick

Stone should have fetched Cody Glass though
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:51 a.m.
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And that’s fine, for Stone. My point has come back to why do you expect firsts for your middling packages?


Top 4 D-man for 4 M (i thought i retained more), For 2 years is definitely worth something.
Top 6 forward who can bring 50 pts for 3 M$ for 2 years is also an excellent deal for a 4th liner and a late 1st round pick.

Whats hard to understand ?
Aug. 16, 2019 at 9:56 a.m.
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Quoting: SmugTkachuk
And that’s fine, for Stone. My point has come back to why do you expect firsts for your middling packages?


Quoting: KCarry74
he's on the first line but only because we don't have 1st line center.. yet. And NAS need him to go away before next year so yea, he's a dump.


First, Danault, Tatar and Petry aren't middling. Not worth first rounders but not middling(Tatar actually got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd when Detroit traded him, the 1st became Joe Veleno).

Second, why for the love of everything holy would Montreal trade Danault with salary retained for a cap dump?!? He was a 50 point player, finished 7th in Selke voting, and is a leader on this team. He also makes 3 million and is 26. Turris makes 6 for 5 more years, may not recover his offence, is a downgrade, and is 30

Third, why are we trading one of our best shutdown D when the defensive depth is virtually non-existent

Finally, stop trading Tatar people, he was a 50 point scorer and has 2 years under contract

PS Danault can be a first line centre
Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:17 a.m.
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Even if the return for taking Turris seems interesting, even an overpay by Nashville, Turris's contract can become reallyyy ugly. This trade isn't a no brainer

According to Dom Luszczyszyn's projection model, based on the recent performance of Turris, he's overpaid by 20m! He has 5 years left for 6m, that means he has a value of 2m per season: a 4m overpayment per year.


I'd rather get bad contracts that have 2 years left at max, to leave enough money for 20-21 summer.

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Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
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Quoting: SmugTkachuk
Stone couldn’t bring a first at the deadline last year when market value is through the roof. What makes you think MTL has players other that Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Domi, Price, maaaayyybe Gallagher that are worth a first? All of which you did not move.


The big difference is that Vegas had to sign Stone to big bucks right away yet with Tatar you can ride him -with retained salary- for about 2.6-3M$ for two years. I'm not saying that Tatar's as good as Stone but that's obviously an added value in a trade.

PS: Both Robertson and Tolvanen aren't moving from their team.
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:20 a.m.
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First, Danault, Tatar and Petry aren't middling. Not worth first rounders but not middling(Tatar actually got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd when Detroit traded him, the 1st became Joe Veleno).

Second, why for the love of everything holy would Montreal trade Danault with salary retained for a cap dump?!? He was a 50 point player, finished 7th in Selke voting, and is a leader on this team. He also makes 3 million and is 26. Turris makes 6 for 5 more years, may not recover his offence, is a downgrade, and is 30

Third, why are we trading one of our best shutdown D when the defensive depth is virtually non-existent

Finally, stop trading Tatar people, he was a 50 point scorer and has 2 years under contract

PS Danault can be a first line centre


Quoting: Jame5man
First, Danault, Tatar and Petry aren't middling. Not worth first rounders but not middling(Tatar actually got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd when Detroit traded him, the 1st became Joe Veleno).

Second, why for the love of everything holy would Montreal trade Danault with salary retained for a cap dump?!? He was a 50 point player, finished 7th in Selke voting, and is a leader on this team. He also makes 3 million and is 26. Turris makes 6 for 5 more years, may not recover his offence, is a downgrade, and is 30

Third, why are we trading one of our best shutdown D when the defensive depth is virtually non-existent

Finally, stop trading Tatar people, he was a 50 point scorer and has 2 years under contract

PS Danault can be a first line centre


I like your comment man!

2- I'm trading him because I see an opportunity to get a good asset back (Tolvanen or 1st pick, i was generous here). Danault will fall down the depth chart eventually not because he is bad, But he will fall down and we won't be able to pay him what he deserves.

3- Kinda same explanation as 2. He will forever be behind weber and with Juulsen, Brooks, Fleury, we can let him go for assets when he has value.

4- Same thing here. He has value and we can let him go.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:35 a.m.
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I like your comment man!

2- I'm trading him because I see an opportunity to get a good asset back (Tolvanen or 1st pick, i was generous here). Danault will fall down the depth chart eventually not because he is bad, But he will fall down and we won't be able to pay him what he deserves.

3- Kinda same explanation as 2. He will forever be behind weber and with Juulsen, Brooks, Fleury, we can let him go for assets when he has value.

4- Same thing here. He has value and we can let him go.


Turris is 5 years worth of what essentially amounts to wasted money. Danault is both better and cheaper and we don't need Tolvanen so badly that the team needs to handicap itself when, KK, Poehling, Domi, Gallagher, Mete, Lehkonen, Juulsen and Armia come around for new contracts, Tolvanen too if they get him. Trust me it won't be worth it
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Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.
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Top 4 D-man for 4 M (i thought i retained more), For 2 years is definitely worth something.
Top 6 forward who can bring 50 pts for 3 M$ for 2 years is also an excellent deal for a 4th liner and a late 1st round pick.

Whats hard to understand ?


Fair I figured you would bite a little harder on the Stone argument cause you were dumb enough to retain more than 3 salaries which a team can't do but you have provided a reasonable counter argument. I think the Habs have 5 players at most worth a first.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 10:59 a.m.
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Fair I figured you would bite a little harder on the Stone argument cause you were dumb enough to retain more than 3 salaries which a team can't do but you have provided a reasonable counter argument. I think the Habs have 5 players at most worth a first.


Price, KK, Domi, Gally, Tatar, Petry, Danault, Drouin, Romanov, Poehling, Suzuki. No habs fan would let any of them go w/o a 1st round included. if you think a top 4 d-man who puts 40+ points with a weak offensive team isn't worth a 1st rounder (which might never play an NHL game), i think you're dumber than me my friend.
Aug. 16, 2019 at 11:05 a.m.
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Quoting: KCarry74
Price, KK, Domi, Gally, Tatar, Petry, Danault, Drouin, Romanov, Poehling, Suzuki. No habs fan would let any of them go w/o a 1st round included. if you think a top 4 d-man who puts 40+ points with a weak offensive team isn't worth a 1st rounder (which might never play an NHL game), i think you're dumber than me my friend.


Cover up you hussy, your bias is showing! Are you paying a first for TJ Brodie?
Aug. 16, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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Cover up you hussy, your bias is showing! Are you paying a first for TJ Brodie?


The only reason i might hesitate is because he's a rental. But with a second year or an extension, absolutely if i'm a contending team for some playoffs
Aug. 16, 2019 at 11:20 a.m.
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The only reason i might hesitate is because he's a rental. But with a second year or an extension, absolutely if i'm a contending team for some playoffs


You may be the only Habs fan on here to say that. Fair enough
Aug. 16, 2019 at 11:21 a.m.
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You may be the only Habs fan on here to say that. Fair enough


Not a habs fan. Just happen to live in Mtl so that'S the team i know most.

But thanks
 
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