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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 17, 2019
Published: Aug. 17, 2019
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$10,500,000
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TOR
  1. Miller, Ryan
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (ANA)
  3. 2020 5th round pick (ANA)
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,066,366$0$1,200,000$433,634

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
RW
UFA - 6
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$737,500$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$1,125,000$1,125,000 (Performance Bonus$1,200,000$1M)
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:11 p.m.
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Shore will make the team over korshkov and petan
Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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Marner is not a $10M+ player His agent and the media have done a great job with the hype train.

He should be just a little over Nylander He is an $8-9M player
Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.
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Marner is not a $10M+ player His agent and the media have done a great job with the hype train.

He should be just a little over Nylander He is an $8-9M player


Good for him but hes going to get the 10
Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:31 p.m.
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Good for him but hes going to get the 10


Why because his dad wants it? explain why he would get $10M+ ?
Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:35 p.m.
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Why because his dad wants it? explain why he would get $10M+ ?


CJ reporting that the deal seems like it will be 6-7 years around 10.~
It will be an overpayment, the important thing is that we get the term to make it better.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
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Why because his dad wants it? explain why he would get $10M+ ?


Because he wants 10. He holds the leverage. No one can force him to take a deal he doesnt want
Aug. 17, 2019 at 4:27 p.m.
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CJ reporting that the deal seems like it will be 6-7 years around 10.~
It will be an overpayment, the important thing is that we get the term to make it better.


Reilly getting 5 million was thought as an over payment years ago, now it's a super awesome deal. Marner's contract may look overpaid for one or two seasons but than it'll be obvious that it's actually a steal.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 4:30 p.m.
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Reilly getting 5 million was thought as an over payment years ago, now it's a super awesome deal. Marner's contract may look overpaid for one or two seasons but than it'll be obvious that it's actually a steal.


Maybe, and I hope you are right about that, but all the numbers suggest he will regress in the same way they said Kadri would regress after his 1st season, or his down year (when we got him on the steal of a contract). It is why I am not worried about Nylander being overpaid by ~250-500k as he should also regress (in a positive way). If Marner doesn't regress then GREAT! If he does...
Aug. 17, 2019 at 4:35 p.m.
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Because he wants 10. He holds the leverage. No one can force him to take a deal he doesnt want


Marner may have some leverage now but as the opening of the season comes closer the pressure will be more and more on Marner to sign. He does not really having the option of holding out once the season starts due to the cap rules of mid season signing bumping up this years cap hit and reducing the future years cap hits. The leafs had the cap space last year to do it with Nylander but they don't his year.

Nylander's deal was 6 years at 7.5 milliom but because he signed at the December deadline that became 10 million last year and 7 million for the next 5 as far as cap hit goes. Now if Marner was to try the same thing and demand 10 million for six years and sign at the last minute in December then the cap hit will be something like 14.25 million this year and and 9.3 million for the next five.

So as the regular season ticks by his salary will have drop as each game is played in order for the team to not have cap issues. The pressure will be on Marner to sign sooner than later once the season begins.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 4:49 p.m.
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Maybe, and I hope you are right about that, but all the numbers suggest he will regress in the same way they said Kadri would regress after his 1st season, or his down year (when we got him on the steal of a contract). It is why I am not worried about Nylander being overpaid by ~250-500k as he should also regress (in a positive way). If Marner doesn't regress then GREAT! If he does...


Considering Panarin past J.T. and Matthews on the salary list, no doubt even with Marner @ 10 million, a couple seasons later, it'll be a steal. Damn stupid NHL GM's. And that's just 1 year inflation.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
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Because he wants 10. He holds the leverage. No one can force him to take a deal he doesnt want


Wait wait wait wait wait.
What leverage does Marner have?!?

HE HAS NONE (barring a holdout)
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:09 p.m.
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Wait wait wait wait wait.
What leverage does Marner have?!?

HE HAS NONE (barring a holdout)


He has uh all of it. Ok yes he doesnt get to play the start maybe, but he knows eventually the leafs will be forced to pay him or trade him.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:16 p.m.
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He has uh all of it. Ok yes he doesnt get to play the start maybe, but he knows eventually the leafs will be forced to pay him or trade him.


Or sit him. He has no arb rights, no other teams want him at the price he wants, the Leafs have the talent and the cap space to sit him, either until dec 1st or all year. He literally has no leverage outside of the Leafs wanting to have Marner lol.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:23 p.m.
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Or sit him. He has no arb rights, no other teams want him at the price he wants, the Leafs have the talent and the cap space to sit him, either until dec 1st or all year. He literally has no leverage outside of the Leafs wanting to have Marner lol.


If he doesn't sign at the beginning of the season he will have to sit.

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Marner may have some leverage now but as the opening of the season comes closer the pressure will be more and more on Marner to sign. He does not really having the option of holding out once the season starts due to the cap rules of mid season signing bumping up this years cap hit and reducing the future years cap hits. The leafs had the cap space last year to do it with Nylander but they don't his year.

Nylander's deal was 6 years at 7.5 milliom but because he signed at the December deadline that became 10 million last year and 7 million for the next 5 as far as cap hit goes. Now if Marner was to try the same thing and demand 10 million for six years and sign at the last minute in December then the cap hit will be something like 14.25 million this year and and 9.3 million for the next five.

So as the regular season ticks by his salary will have drop as each game is played in order for the team to not have cap issues. The pressure will be on Marner to sign sooner than later once the season begins.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.
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If he doesn't sign at the beginning of the season he will have to sit.


We have up to 10.55 in space according to CF. The way the prorating works is to counteract the accrued cap space. The number might say 13-14- or even 15 million, but we would still be under the cap assuming it would be a july 1st contract of 10.55 or less.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:39 p.m.
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We have up to 10.55 in space according to CF. The way the prorating works is to counteract the accrued cap space. The number might say 13-14- or even 15 million, but we would still be under the cap assuming it would be a july 1st contract of 10.55 or less.


You are incorrect - the effect is the current years cap hit in total is increased and all future years of the contract cap hit are reduced. If it was like you said then the future years CAP hit would not change from the contract average. It was put in so that teams would want to sign RFA's before the start of the season giving the RFA's some more bargaining power due to the current year penalty to the team. But in the case of large contracts that Marner is asking for it actually backfires on the RFA.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:42 p.m.
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You are incorrect - the effect is the current years cap hit in total is increased and all future years of the contract cap hit are reduced. If it was like you said then the future years CAP hit would not change from the contract average. It was put in so that teams would want to sign RFA's before the start of the season giving the RFA's some more power. But in the case of large contracts that Marner is asking for it actually backfires on the RFA.


While Marner is not signed the Leafs will be accruing extra cap space as the cap is calculated daily. That means that when he signs the Leafs will have more than 81.5 as their ceiling (as will all teams who are accruing cap space). To make things fair they prorate the contract to counteract this accrued space in the first year. It doesn't actually increase the real cap hit.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:48 p.m.
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While Marner is not signed the Leafs will be accruing extra cap space as the cap is calculated daily. That means that when he signs the Leafs will have more than 81.5 as their ceiling (as will all teams who are accruing cap space). To make things fair they prorate the contract to counteract this accrued space in the first year. It doesn't actually increase the real cap hit.


Yes that would be the case on a UFA signing mid season but the special rules on RFA mid-season signing are different. see this https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#rfa-caphit
Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:52 p.m.
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Yes that would be the case on a UFA signing mid season but the special rules on RFA mid-season signing are different. see this https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#rfa-caphit


The prorating effect is the same for both Ufa and RFA's. That just shows you how to calculate the total used to counteract the accrued cap space
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