My Final Word on a Marner Contract

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Quoting: Random2152

ummmm... (these aren't advanced stats btw)
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I am aware of these stats, Tavares played a big part in helping Marner improve his ability to drive possession. However, a lot of goals Tavares scored were tap ins set up by Marner. It was Marner either making the zone entry, creating space by avoiding an opponent’s check and feeding the pass to Tavares in an open area. You can’t convince me that Marner got carried when he’s clearly contributed a lot to their success.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:04 p.m.

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The contract will be 55 million for 6 years, that's 9'166'667 AAV, it has all the key numbers, over 9 million (more than Aho and Draisaitl), it includes his jersey # 16, it has the # 666, since the Leafs have to make a deal with the devil, and it includes the number 67, the last time the Leafs won the Cup.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:04 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Those tap ins were created by JT. Passing is easy; especially for an NHL player.

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I know you're trolling but at this point I'd take that

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Those tap ins were created by JT. Passing is easy; especially for an NHL player.

Wrong. You actually lose this battle my friend. You won the war with BrandonGOAT but that statement is way off.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.

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Just lol. You have to be a troll. There is no way someone could be this stupid.

Truth hurts

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

ummmm... (these aren't advanced stats btw)
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If you haven't already, use that tool to check out Nylander, Nylander w/o Kadri, and Nylander w/o Kadri and Matthews from last year. Unreal how much better of a season Nylander had over Marner in terms of shot impacts.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:12 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

I know you're trolling but at this point I'd take that

58 for 6 years is more likely though, 9'666'667

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:13 p.m.

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Those tap ins were created by JT, passing is easy; especially for an NHL player.

It seriously disgusts me how you Leaf fans discredit Marner for what he’s accomplished. He gets even less respect than Guentzel, who couldn’t even score at a point per game pace playing with Crosby, a far better center than Tavares. JT scored all those tap ins by himself? That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Sure he contributed in the forechecking sequence and drive for possession which led to the goal, but to say Marner barely played any part in his success is flat out wrong. Marner was constantly the one making the zone entry, then successfully dangling a checking opponent before sending a perfect pass right onto the tape. For you to say that it’s easy, tells me you’ve never played competitively before.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:15 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Me? I played AAA, probably better than what you achieved.

Lol @Bcarlo25 he did it again

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:15 p.m.

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Wrong. You actually lose this battle my friend. You won the war with BrandonGOAT but that statement is way off.

I over exaggerated in saying that passing is easy, but the hard part is creating the space, getting to the net and knowing how to do all of that quickly. You can have the passer, but if you dont have the JT, nothing happens.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:17 p.m.

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I don't pay to see past the wall. I probably should tho...

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:17 p.m.

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

I like the last sentence in your write up is a lie, I highly doubt the rumor that J.T. was getting an offer of 13 million. So J.T. didn't take a hometown discount. I've never seen a confirmed report by a reliable source stating that the Sharks offered 13 million.

He was

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:19 p.m.

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Lol @Bcarlo25 he did it again

Well, I did play AAA, so I don’t see why you have a problem with it.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:20 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Marner stood at the half wall and made a pass. That is his role. Sure it takes skill to make that pass, but the far more important aspect is making the space, getting the puck into the zone (or to Marner in this case), knowing what to do when you get the puck, creating havoc in order to give Marner more space etc.

The reason why people overvalue Marner's contribution is because his role is very visible on TV to puck watchers who don't watch hockey, but rather watch the puck.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:21 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Well, I did play AAA, so I don’t see why you have a problem with it.

you're using it as an argument. I also played AAA but I only ever mention it in this context. Playing AAA doesn't change the viability of stats lol.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

I don't pay to see past the wall. I probably should tho...

It's well worth it, but Nylander with all teammates was +31% Offense/+6% Defense in 702 mins, and excluding Kadri AND Matthews (two most common teammates) he was still +26% Offense/+5% Defense in 176 mins. Superb on-ice impacts that got totally overshadowed because of his holdout and lack of all-important points.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:23 p.m.

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Marner also sets up Hyman for easy tap in goals too. The playmaker's job is to make the players around him better. Fact is J.T. , Hyman, Kadri, JRV are scored career highs in goals when playing with Mitch. You can't denial his talent. Marner's playmaking skills can turn him into the next Joe Thornton, can you honestly say he does't deserve Jumbo Joe's wage ?

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.

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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT

Well, I did play AAA, so I don’t see why you have a problem with it.

You lose a credibility if you say you played OHL and don't even know what Usports is. If you did play AAA, and you want to prove it, what is your elite prospects page. If you played AAA you have one.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.

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You are right that scoring a tap in takes an underrated amount of work for the goal scorer, but if it were Tavares setting up Marner for the tap in, you wouldn’t be saying it like this, I guarantee it.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.

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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta

He was

Sharks did better by adding EK65 anyhow.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:26 p.m.

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Are you sure Mitch made Hyman better, or JT? History and numbers et al say it was JT.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.

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I would be. I have no vendetta against Marner lol. I love him to death, I just want him to be paid fairly and for the Leafs to do well.

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:31 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Are you sure Mitch made Hyman better, or JT? History and numbers et al say it was JT.

Well than I'm getting Dubas to give me a NHL tryout and get Babcock to put me on J.T.'s line because it's obvious, I can be a 20 goal 70 point NHLer with no skill by playing beside him.

Aug. 17, 2019 at 5:32 p.m.

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