Yes, we match.

Yup we sure do, thinking that marner won’t sign in Toronto as an ufa would be naive. This is part of the reason why he isn’t getting any offersheets.

of course his first choice is to sign with the leafs, IF they pay him what he wants.

Nope. That would be the most player friendly second contract signed in nhl history. It goes unmatched

That’s essentially the most naive thing anyone has said on here.

Sounds like no one is giving him offer sheets because his ask and term are unreasonable. I don’t know the validity of the report(Friedman 31 Thoughts), but apparently Columbus was looking for a 7 year contract but Marner wanted less term. Obviously no team is going to give up 4 first rounders to acquire a player for 4-5 years.

No informed, marner wants to stay in Toronto. What is so hard to understand about that?

you seem rational

That is correct. He is unwilling to sign a sheet that Toronto won’t match. His camp is using it as negotiating leverage. Fortunately no GM’s are willing to help him.

Probably because his “Matthews money” argument wouldn’t hold any weight anywhere else. Lol. If he’s going to use a teammate as a comparable, why not use an oft-injured Matthews instead of in Columbus where the highest paid is less than 6m or Carolina where Aho signed a reasonable 5-year contract?

So you’re saying he’s making his ask and term unreasonable on purpose? ?

Anyone can try to use Matthews as a comparable. I’ve never seen the validity in the whole “same team”. Comparables from other teams have always been used. Matthews is as much a comparable for marner as Rantanen... not at all. Maybe point can try. That would make far more sense.

Marner was looking for a short term deal in the lower tier of compensation. Anything over 5years would bring the compensation up to four 1sts and risk Toronto taking the compensation.

So it’s one of three reasons. 1. Mitch doesn’t want to leave Toronto. 2. Teams don’t want to give up four firsts. 3. No gm believes Mitch is worth more than 10.5m. Personally I think it is a combination of all 3.

Well any ask is on purpose.... he would love an offersheet. 10.5m x 3 years. He gets the greatest bridge any rfa has ever seen. The compensation is low and the aav fits the Toronto cap situation. Maybe at this point he would take 10.5m x 5 for the same reason if he thinks Toronto won’t offer it without a signed sheet.

Do you really think that this whole media frenzy wasn’t drummed up by marner’s Camp?

Saying it’s naive to think that a player will possibly pick one of 30 other teams in ufa is lunacy. Do you know what he is thinking? Do you know where he wants to be? Do you know how much money he’ll want in four years? Do you know how much cap space Toronto will have? Do you know what other teams will be offering?

Naive? You nailed it

No they dont. They wait for an isles center to become an rfa and we all know what happens when isles centerman look at a team of bad contracts and think about wanting to win a cup. At least the got their revenge when they signed Leo komarov?

In 2 years Frederick Andersen is going to get a nice raise and in 3 years Morgan reilly will be asking for 11 mill AAV - if a team outbids TML in 4 years Marner will be gone. Money talks.

what's the offer sheet going to look like?

How many players re sign with the team they are on and how many hit ufa... you make it sound like everyone hits ufa and never re signs. Factor in the fact that he is playing for his hometown. He has also said he wants to be a maple leaf but I don’t put as much stock in that.

I didn’t say that Marner’s camp isn’t using the media to their advantage. It would be a debacle even if they didn’t because it’s Toronto. I am just saying that if the right offer came along I’m sure he’d jump at it, even if Toronto couldn’t match.

The speculation (breeds confidence right?) is that during the interview period marner was looking for the type of contract that the leafs would match. Short term under 10.6m.

It does make sense. Realistically any long term deal due to the way the cba is set up would be 4 first round picks. To me it seems reasonable that any team looking to offersheet marner would be willing to give up four 1sts. Any 7 year deal over 7.5m is a top tier compensation. So the compensation shouldn’t be the issue. Marner’s price was fairly well advertised... yet teams still met with him. You would think knowing he was looking for 11.6m x 5 years that teams were willing and prepared to atleast get very close to that number... but they didn’t.

What does that leave? I think marner was trying to use the offersheet to get his way with the leafs and gm’s Weren’t having it. They aren’t going to put out an offersheet and inflate rfa prices with no reward. If some gm were dumb enough to offer him a deal that he couldn’t turn down than yeah, maybe he signs that and leaves Toronto. Dubas seems willing to keep negotiating and get creative with term and aav. For that reason I think it would take a massive overpay to get him to leave Toronto. I don't Think he is willing to leave over 1m or less a season.

No no, no no no. You’re the one making broad statements.

Here’s a smart way of saying what you said: I’m not too worried about taking Marner to ufa. I think it’s likely he wants to leave, and Dubas shouldn’t have too much trouble getting him signed.
Idiot way of saying it: thinking Marner won’t sign in Toronto as a ufa is naive.

Guess which you said?

In case you didn’t notice the entire point of this agm was a 4 year offer sheet. Thinking that Toronto won’t match because Mitch goes right to ufa is naive. It’s a poor offersheet. Mitch wants 10m for 3 years, signs his QO and hits ufa. This is not much worse.

If I think dubas won’t have any trouble getting Mitch resigned than shooting an offersheet like this based on the fact that Toronto is scared Mitch win’t Re sign is naive.

And to think I thought you were one of the reasonable leaf fans

It’s just my opinion, you don’t have to get your panties in a bunch.

You took a really reasonable position for others to have, and called them naive. Don’t make yourself out to be this sweetheart that was just politely voicing his opinion. You were trying to be an a hole. Nothing wrong with that, I do it all the time...just own it.

It would be similar to me saying, “anyone that thinks auston Matthews will ever have a 50 goal season is naive.”