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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Published: Aug. 18, 2019
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I feel Ducks might be open to this since they will have to likely expose Manson in the expansion draft if they dont.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:02 p.m.
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Not likely. ANA is most likely protecting Lindholm, Manson and Fowler.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.
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They traded Montour to Buffalo, they'll go 7-3-1 protecting Gibson in goal, Lindholm Fowler and Manson on the blue line and whoever up front. Manson won't be exposed
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:09 p.m.
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Not likely. ANA is most likely protecting Lindholm, Manson and Fowler.


Now I have not looked at their young and upcoming D but...one would assume they would protect one those over probably Manson seeing as Fowler and Lindholm are a step above Manson.

As for the trade: I say add another pick and the deal happens. I kind of like a Rielly, Hamonic, Manson and Dermott D corps.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:09 p.m.
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I don't see why you think that Anaheim is doomed to expose Manson. It's not like they have Bowen Byram in the system, ready to play 80 games in 2020-2021. They can afford to expose Guhle, Larsson and Mahura. I don't see Lacombe Jackson or anyone else being ready to step in a year from now. Unless Jani Hakanpaa turns out to be the next coming of Niklas Lidstrom, I think @BurgerBoss and @Caniac2000 is right.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.
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Now I have not looked at their young and upcoming D but...one would assume they would protect one those over probably Manson seeing as Fowler and Lindholm are a step above Manson.

As for the trade: I say add another pick and the deal happens. I kind of like a Rielly, Hamonic, Manson and Dermott D corps.


Manson is above Fowler in their chart I'd say.

He's solid as heck.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:21 p.m.
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Manson is above Fowler in their chart I'd say.

He's solid as heck.


Really!?
I thought Fowler was untouchable much like Rielly is for the Leafs. Wow...I actually want some Ducks fans to chime in on this.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:21 p.m.
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I don't see why you think that Anaheim is doomed to expose Manson. It's not like they have Bowen Byram in the system, ready to play 80 games in 2020-2021. They can afford to expose Guhle, Larsson and Mahura. I don't see Lacombe Jackson or anyone else being ready to step in a year from now. Unless Jani Hakanpaa turns out to be the next coming of Niklas Lidstrom, I think @BurgerBoss and @Caniac2000 is right.


I think Bracco could be good given the chance and he could iget it with Ducks and they wont have to protect because he will young enough to not worry about.

Ducks need to get younger and this helps right?
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:24 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I don't see why you think that Anaheim is doomed to expose Manson. It's not like they have Bowen Byram in the system, ready to play 80 games in 2020-2021. They can afford to expose Guhle, Larsson and Mahura. I don't see Lacombe Jackson or anyone else being ready to step in a year from now. Unless Jani Hakanpaa turns out to be the next coming of Niklas Lidstrom, I think @BurgerBoss and @Caniac2000 is right.


Okay fair enough. What about what @BurgerBoss said about Manson being better than Fowler? Your thoughts sir.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:29 p.m.
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Okay fair enough. What about what @BurgerBoss said about Manson being better than Fowler? Your thoughts sir.


I do not agree with that, but that does not mean Manson has no value either.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:34 p.m.
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Now I have not looked at their young and upcoming D but...one would assume they would protect one those over probably Manson seeing as Fowler and Lindholm are a step above Manson.

As for the trade: I say add another pick and the deal happens. I kind of like a Rielly, Hamonic, Manson and Dermott D corps.


A. Mahura still has 2 years left on his ELC so I don't think he will have to be protected, I could be wrong though, Guhle and Larsson will be protected, but neither will be as good as Manson, an the ducks only have 1 top 4 RHD, Manson, and the fact that he plays extremely well with lindholm, and is debatably better than Fowler, they almost definitely protect him over Fowler, who I think they'll end up protecting too, but it's too far away to tell accurately
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:34 p.m.
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Really!?
I thought Fowler was untouchable much like Rielly is for the Leafs. Wow...I actually want some Ducks fans to chime in on this.


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Well I base the comment on this... Manson effectively produces more and gets more ice time...
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:37 p.m.
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Okay fair enough. What about what @BurgerBoss said about Manson being better than Fowler? Your thoughts sir.


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Not likely. ANA is most likely protecting Lindholm, Manson and Fowler.


I think they will ask fowler if he want to go to seattle. With the salary he’ll command and he will be turning 30 i don’t see anaheim protects him over manson, lindholm guhle and larsson. Up front to they are a bit screw with those nmc in the contract they give.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:38 p.m.
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Well I base the comment on this... Manson effectively produces more and gets more ice time...


Not arguing stats but Ducks signed Fowler first and gave him more term and money then Manson.

Stats don't always decide which player a team covets but money usually does.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:39 p.m.
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Okay fair enough. What about what @BurgerBoss said about Manson being better than Fowler? Your thoughts sir.


It's hard to say. That's a pretty bold statement. Of all the Ducks players who had bad years last season, Rakell and Manson were the most disappointing (to me). Manson had an all-star year in 2017-2018, and we all expected great things from him at the start of last season. I think he will rebound this year. But his value is partly contextual: really good RhDs are rarer than LhDs, and Manson has a particularly favorable contract. I would not put him above Fowler on the ice, and if I had to expose one of the two of them, I would choose Manson; but given Anaheim's depth on the left side, if one of them is traded, I would expect it to be Fowler and not Manson, in particular because Fowler would bring more in return.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:40 p.m.
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That’s way too much for Hamonic
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
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Well I base the comment on this... Manson effectively produces more and gets more ice time...


Fowler is good with the puck but he isn’t a good defender. He is in the same class that barrie, ristolainen, gosthisbere great on transition but in their own zone its nightmare
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:42 p.m.
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That’s way too much for Hamonic


I agree, i was really mad when calgary trade for him. He is way to overated, he does the job on defence, but jordie benn at 3 millions less does the job too!
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.
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I think they will ask fowler if he want to go to seattle. With the salary he’ll command and he will be turning 30 i don’t see anaheim protects him over manson, lindholm guhle and larsson. Up front to they are a bit screw with those nmc in the contract they give.


Manson is two months older than Fowler.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:44 p.m.
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I agree, i was really mad when calgary trade for him. He is way to overated, he does the job on defence, but jordie benn at 3 millions less does the job too!


I am okay with paying less for Hamonic.
I view him as a good stay at home D.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:47 p.m.
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I am okay with paying less for Hamonic.
I view him as a good stay at home D.


Whoever signs him to his next contract will be risky . I don’t think his next contract will age well as he plays so hard that I think his body breaks down in his 30s
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:48 p.m.
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So they would expose Dermott then instead? The trade literally does not make sense
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:49 p.m.
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@Trickster @BurgerBoss @oneX

Perhaps a hypothetical would help here.

Suppose Anaheim had a fourth defenseman -- a very good RhD. Let's call him Carlo Pulock. Now the Ducks have a choice of protecting three of these four defensemen. If the choice is between Fowler and Manson, I think they keep Fowler unless they can make a favorable trade for him.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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@Trickster @BurgerBoss @oneX

Perhaps a hypothetical would help here.

Suppose Anaheim had a fourth defenseman -- a very good RhD. Let's call him Carlo Pulock. Now the Ducks have a choice of protecting three of these four defensemen. If the choice is between Fowler and Manson, I think they keep Fowler unless they can make a favorable trade for him.


Fowler's extremely unlikely to get traded, as he has that M-NTC with 4 team trade list. I'd protect Manson, but that's just my opinion.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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So they would expose Dermott then instead? The trade literally does not make sense


Expansion draft happens before UFA signings start.
Dermott will be protected along with Rielly and Manson.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 5:55 p.m.
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@Trickster @BurgerBoss @oneX

Perhaps a hypothetical would help here.

Suppose Anaheim had a fourth defenseman -- a very good RhD. Let's call him Carlo Pulock. Now the Ducks have a choice of protecting three of these four defensemen. If the choice is between Fowler and Manson, I think they keep Fowler unless they can make a favorable trade for him.


Okay I have a question regarding your scenario: Fowler turning 30 and still has big money left on the deal.
Quick solution for the Ducks to get out of said contract: trade him? Or expose in the draft?

Got to factor in his age and that D do not generally get better with age.

Btw very interesting discussion guys gj!
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