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The Answer - Step 1 - Cap Dump trade JP krussell and gagner

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Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 18, 2019
Published: Aug. 18, 2019
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Description
Step 1 one of 3 - 19/20 season
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. 2020 7th round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Brodziak, Kyle
Additional Details:
Off season trade - can be buried, Ottawas bottom 6 experienced center depth is not the best so this is a reasonable enough trade (could prob be made with a few teams - they have the cap space and he can be buried
2.
EDM
  1. 2020 6th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Winnipeg’s defensive depth has taken a hit, manning plays a rough game that fits in and is low risk for 1 yr if he plays bad they can send to all trade etc
WPG
  1. Manning, Brandon
  2. Vesey, Nolan
  3. 2022 5th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Cap dump sending a prospect and a better pick for them to take him
3.
EDM
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
Additional Details:
Namest had a bad year and I don’t think is in NYRs plans. While some may say he’s worth more I would say this is a fair enough trade and that in this scenario he resigns with the oilers so NYR gets a 2nd as well
NYR
  1. Gagner, Sam ($1,150,000 retained)
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  3. Russell, Patrick
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (EDM)
  5. 2022 4th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Conditional Pick - 3rd becomes a 2nd if namest resigns

JP has potential, gagner can play all over the lineup for cheaper and replaces namest point production and Russell is a decent prospect.
4.
EDM
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
Additional Details:
Ghost is on the 3rd pairing now in philly, they have depth at Ld and Russell provides 2 more years of vet defence. While ghost is much better then reasonably the 500 k in savings can got towards phillys two top Rfa’s. the addition of 2 solid prospects and the draft picks make this a trade philly would def consider . Both yam and Lowe’s salary would go off the books and creat an extra 1.5 mill in space.
PHI
  1. Lowe, Keegan
  2. Russell, Kris
  3. Yamamoto, Kailer
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
  5. 2021 6th round pick (PIT)
  6. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
3rd is conditional - if ghost puts up over 45 pts it becomes a 2nd
Buyouts
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2020
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$78,311,999$0$2,457,500$3,188,001

Roster

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C, LW
UFA - 6
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C
UFA - 7
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$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
C
UFA - 1
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RW
UFA - 2
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LW, C
UFA - 2
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RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
UFA - 4
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LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$675,000$675,000
C
RFA - 1
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RD
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:11 p.m.
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Who adds what?
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I really like what you've done with the defense, actually. Each pair has someone who can shut someone down, and the top pair adds a ton of skill.

No idea why everybody is dumping Brodziak. Real heart and soul guy. Good on faceoffs, too. Overall, good team.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:17 p.m.
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Why would philly take a cap dump back for Ghost?
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:19 p.m.
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Jets can’t afford him and he wouldn’t even make the team
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:28 p.m.
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The Jets farm team already has too many defensemen as it is so they don't need Manning.

You're really really overpaying for Namestnikov, he'd be a good addition for the Oilers but that's way too much for him.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:38 p.m.
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Why would philly take a cap dump back for Ghost?


Well I mean Russell isn’t just a cap dump he’s a serviceable vet d man for 2 yrs and they are getting prospects and picks so that’s why they would take him. He fills the void left by ghost and they get solid assets
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Cheddamonkey37
Jets can’t afford him and he wouldn’t even make the team


As of right now they could and before last year he wasn’t that bad, but I don’t have enough info on jets dman so this trade could have been sent to a diff team it’s low impact
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:41 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
The Jets farm team already has too many defensemen as it is so they don't need Manning.

You're really really overpaying for Namestnikov, he'd be a good addition for the Oilers but that's way too much for him.



I agree it’s a bit of an overpay but I’m making this trade based on the fact that he will play with mcd or nuge and Neal which should bring him back to the 40 plus point guy we need
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
I really like what you've done with the defense, actually. Each pair has someone who can shut someone down, and the top pair adds a ton of skill.

No idea why everybody is dumping Brodziak. Real heart and soul guy. Good on faceoffs, too. Overall, good team.


Quoting: Eli
I really like what you've done with the defense, actually. Each pair has someone who can shut someone down, and the top pair adds a ton of skill.

No idea why everybody is dumping Brodziak. Real heart and soul guy. Good on faceoffs, too. Overall, good team.


I don’t mind brodziak he had a bad year but f we kept him I wouldn’t be sad just had plans that don’t include him
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.
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Well I mean Russell isn’t just a cap dump he’s a serviceable vet d man for 2 yrs and they are getting prospects and picks so that’s why they would take him. He fills the void left by ghost and they get solid assets


Ghost is on the block because they have more Dmen than spots to play them so why would they need Russell to fill the void when their is no void to fill?
Aug. 18, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.
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Quoting: shawnosulli
I agree it’s a bit of an overpay but I’m making this trade based on the fact that he will play with mcd or nuge and Neal which should bring him back to the 40 plus point guy we need


Don't matter who you intend on playing him with you still don't overpay.. Lol
A 3rd and a cheap to bury cap dump like Brodziak or Manning should be more then enough, Namestnikov didn't put up any more then Vesey did and he went for a 3rd. Pulujarvi and picks is way too much plus the Rangers aren't gonna want Gagner' cap hit, at least Mannings or Brodziaks are almost nothing when buried, Gagner's would still be like a $2M hit I think if he's sent down.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Don't matter who you intend on playing him with you still don't overpay.. Lol
A 3rd and a cheap to bury cap dump like Brodziak or Manning should be more then enough, Namestnikov didn't put up any more then Vesey did and he went for a 3rd. Pulujarvi and picks is way too much plus the Rangers aren't gonna want Gagner' cap hit, at least Mannings or Brodziaks are almost nothing when buried, Gagner's would still be like a $2M hit I think if he's sent down.


Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Don't matter who you intend on playing him with you still don't overpay.. Lol
A 3rd and a cheap to bury cap dump like Brodziak or Manning should be more then enough, Namestnikov didn't put up any more then Vesey did and he went for a 3rd. Pulujarvi and picks is way too much plus the Rangers aren't gonna want Gagner' cap hit, at least Mannings or Brodziaks are almost nothing when buried, Gagner's would still be like a $2M hit I think if he's sent down.


Gagner was on pace for 33 pts last year so he’s still a serviceable winger who can play almost anywhere, he works hard and plays smart plus he’s ufa at end of year too so it’s less risky. The 4th was supposed to be conditional in that namest had to put up 45 pts to get the 4th. As for JP his value is low so it’s not as bad. Namest still has potential and can play top 6 now it’s a better trade then on paper
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:05 p.m.
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Ghost is on the block because they have more Dmen than spots to play them so why would they need Russell to fill the void when their is no void to fill?


The dman they have are still young and with injuries struggles etc russel would still have a purpose plus he’s solid enough to play young guys with, they need vets still so there is sense to it the assets the get are the main point behind it
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:07 p.m.
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Quoting: shawnosulli
Gagner was on pace for 33 pts last year so he’s still a serviceable winger who can play almost anywhere, he works hard and plays smart plus he’s ufa at end of year too so it’s less risky. The 4th was supposed to be conditional in that namest had to put up 45 pts to get the 4th. As for JP his value is low so it’s not as bad. Namest still has potential and can play top 6 now it’s a better trade then on paper


I know and I like Gagner but the Rangers are capped out already and still have to sign Deangelo and Lemieux, they really have no space for Gagner, if they're moving Namestnikov it's for cap space and taking back Gagner plus Pulujarvi who needs a contract doesn't give them any cap relief.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:08 p.m.
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The dman they have are still young and with injuries struggles etc russel would still have a purpose plus he’s solid enough to play young guys with, they need vets still so there is sense to it the assets the get are the main point behind it


They don’t need him, they’d be just fine.

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Just fine. They would not take him back in a trade. Would be a deal breaker.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:13 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Don't matter who you intend on playing him with you still don't overpay.. Lol
A 3rd and a cheap to bury cap dump like Brodziak or Manning should be more then enough, Namestnikov didn't put up any more then Vesey did and he went for a 3rd. Pulujarvi and picks is way too much plus the Rangers aren't gonna want Gagner' cap hit, at least Mannings or Brodziaks are almost nothing when buried, Gagner's would still be like a $2M hit I think if he's sent down.[/quote

I’d take Ganges contract in order to get JP and a prospect and picks
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I know and I like Gagner but the Rangers are capped out already and still have to sign Deangelo and Lemieux, they really have no space for Gagner, if they're moving Namestnikov it's for cap space and taking back Gagner plus Pulujarvi who needs a contract doesn't give them any cap relief.


Hence the addition of the picks and extra prospect, in the real world its a gms job to Sell his trade and the saving of 2 million in switching gagner for namest and the assets involved is why i made that trade. If the oil had to retain a bit more salary they would but i think gagner would interest rangers at 1.75 or 2 mill
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:20 p.m.
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I'd take Ganges contract in order to get JP and a prospect and picks


I know you would but you're a greedy Rangers fan... ?.. kidding kidding.. Lol
Seriously though it's just not a great trade for the Oilers, I know Pulujarvi's value is really low but trading him with picks and a prospect along with a decent one year cap dump isn't really smart in the long term and the Rangers might have to let Namestnikov go for a lot less to get under the cap so this seems like a pretty big overpay for a guy that could probably be had for way less.
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Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:21 p.m.
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They don’t need him, they’d be just fine.

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Just fine. They would not take him back in a trade. Would be a deal breaker.


I can understand that, oilers would the be forced to alter trade to make it happen, what do you think gets the deal done?
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:25 p.m.
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I can understand that, oilers would the be forced to alter trade to make it happen, what do you think gets the deal done?


You don’t match up well to make it happen. They are looking for decent winger to play now. Something Oilers have lacked for awhile. Maybe a 1st and a prospect if they altered their mindset.
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Hence the addition of the picks and extra prospect, in the real world its a gms job to Sell his trade and the saving of 2 million in switching gagner for namest and the assets involved is why i made that trade. If the oil had to retain a bit more salary they would but i think gagner would interest rangers at 1.75 or 2 mill


Well you're probably an Oilers fan whereas I'm a recovered Oilers fan but imo this is really bad for the Oilers.

If you like it for the Oilers so be it but have you looked at it from a Rangers perspective? They have very little cap space and two more rfa's to sign, if they took a player back for Namestnikov they'd probably want someone who makes like a million that they can bury in the AHL that'll have virtually no effect on their cap, I'm just saying even a retained Gagner probably doesn't work for them.
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I know you would but you're a greedy Rangers fan... ?.. kidding kidding.. Lol
Seriously though it's just not a great trade for the Oilers, I know Pulujarvi's value is really low but trading him with picks and a prospect along with a decent one year cap dump isn't really smart in the long term and the Rangers might have to let Namestnikov go for a lot less to get under the cap so this seems like a pretty big overpay for a guy that could probably be had for way less.


Its true but hell I’d do it even if that makes me greedy
 
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