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Latest laine rumor

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Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 24, 2019
Published: Aug. 24, 2019
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According to @iamhockey1 on twitter “when it comes to laine we are hearing sides are 1.5 million dollars apart. There has been talk that the islanders are interested in him but won’t pay top dollar to get him” this twitter account has been spot on a bunch of different signings/trades , one of the more legit pages on twitter. I could see laine holding out and staying in Finland until he gets what he wants.
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:30 p.m.
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That means they are offering him 8.5 million
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
That means they are offering him 8.5 million


I think they are offering him 8 (wheeler money). He wants 9.5 (kuch and stone). I think when you add the money that laine misses from taxes (which stone and kuch don’t being in no tax states) he gets the middle. 8 years at 8.75 let’s get it done
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:38 p.m.
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I think they are offering him 8 (wheeler money). He wants 9.5 (kuch and stone). I think when you add the money that laine misses from taxes (which stone and kuch don’t being in no tax states) he gets the middle. 8 years at 8.75 let’s get it done


he wants Mathews money which is why he points out since entering the NHL he's 6th in goals scored behind Mathews by 1 goal and Tavares by 2 .
it makes sense when you look at the names before and after him and what they're making now
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:38 p.m.
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I think they are offering him 8 (wheeler money). He wants 9.5 (kuch and stone). I think when you add the money that laine misses from taxes (which stone and kuch don’t being in no tax states) he gets the middle. 8 years at 8.75 let’s get it done


No shot he takes 8.75 long term. Maybe he takes that on a 3-4 year deal.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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he wants Mathews money which is why he points out since entering the NHL he's 6th in goals scored behind Mathews by 1 goal and Tavares by 2 .
it makes sense when you look at the names before and after him and what they're making now


I don’t think laine wants to commit long term to WPG - a long term deal at 7-8 years starts at 10 million.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.
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No shot he takes 8.75 long term. Maybe he takes that on a 3-4 year deal.


Quoting: Billy739
he wants Mathews money which is why he points out since entering the NHL he's 6th in goals scored behind Mathews by 1 goal and Tavares by 2 .
it makes sense when you look at the names before and after him and what they're making now


If point is getting 8.5 and rantanen 8, I don’t see how laine will get much more. They are both 8. (Same source as above). Also those players have much better all round games and produce more points (most are pt/gm). Laine is not at their production. At goals he might be close but goals aren’t everything. Yes it comes at a premium which is why he is payed more than rantanen and point (less really for point cause of taxes)
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:47 p.m.
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Give him 3x8 and call it a day. Yes I am aware of that as a ****ty deal.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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If point is getting 8.5 and rantanen 8, I don’t see how laine will get much more. They are both 8. (Same source as above)


Florida no state income tax and I’m pretty sure the culture in Tampa is based around taking team friendly deals so they can have the luxury of retaining all their star players. Laine is an elite goal scorer and is worth more than rantenen.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 2:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
he wants Mathews money which is why he points out since entering the NHL he's 6th in goals scored behind Mathews by 1 goal and Tavares by 2 .
it makes sense when you look at the names before and after him and what they're making now


He needs to complete his overall game before he can put himself with Tavares or Matthews who are both superior players in so many ways.
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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Florida no state income tax and I’m pretty sure the culture in Tampa is based around taking team friendly deals so they can have the luxury of retaining all their star players. Laine is an elite goal scorer and is worth more than rantenen.


More than point though. Comps are comps. Doesn’t matter if their team friendly or not. The fact is that rantanen, aho, and point are Laine’s top 3 comps. If rantanen gets 8, aho 8.5 and point 9 (after applying taxes) then where does Laine fall? Just under point right? There you go. 8.75 smack dab in the middle of aho and point
Aug. 24, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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More than point though. Comps are comps. Doesn’t matter if their team friendly or not. The fact is that rantanen, aho, and point are Laine’s top 3 comps. If rantanen gets 8, aho 8.5 and point 9 (after applying taxes) then where does Laine fall? Just under point right? There you go. 8.75 smack dab in the middle of aho and point


Ok so 8.75 on a 3-4 year deal. I don’t think he commits long term when it’s very likely he’ll hit the 50 goal mark and can command a lot more in a few years.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 3:30 p.m.
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Ok so 8.75 on a 3-4 year deal. I don’t think he commits long term when it’s very likely he’ll hit the 50 goal mark and can command a lot more in a few years.


That money only makes sense on 8 years. It drops significantly for 3-4. For 3-4 years I would say 7.5M
Contracts are all about comps and the comps say it’s 8.75 for 8. Boeser and Meier are supposedly getting/have got 7 and 6 respectively on 4 year deals. How do you justify giving laine 8.75 when he scores at a similar rate to boeser
Aug. 24, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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That money only makes sense on 8 years. It drops significantly for 3-4. For 3-4 years I would say 7.5M
Contracts are all about comps and the comps say it’s 8.75 for 8. Boeser and Meier are supposedly getting/have got 7 and 6 respectively on 4 year deals. How do you justify giving laine 8.75 when he scores at a similar rate to boeser


I think laine either gets traded or holds out until he gets what he wants. Just my opinion.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 3:58 p.m.
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I think laine either gets traded or holds out until he gets what he wants. Just my opinion.


Your opinion is yours and if you choose to be misinformed then so be it. This league and the GMs that operate under it have used league comparables for a long time and that's not about to change overnight.

Laine's comparable is Rantanen (Rantanen does have better talent on his line btw) and what one gets..the other will get similar numbers.
I suppose Laine can sit the year too but he hurts his own bargaining power in the end.
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 4:21 p.m.
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We are getting into these thoughts. "What a players wants". The Jets or( Leafs, name your team with a big ticket RFA) aren't going to be bidding against themselves. So Laine wants 10m and Jets are the only time that offers Laine 8.5m...what are Laine's options. KHL? Laine and these players only leverage is not signing an NHL contract. Sure looks the teams that have their RFA rights, don't have any other NHL team competition in negotiations.

So I think I'm worth 250,000 as an engineer. My employer offers just 200,000. No other firm is offering more than 175,000. So I quit my job and work driving a truck for 50,000. Yep, that will really show my employer that I am king of my destiny.
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 4:33 p.m.
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Who adds what?
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I think they are offering him 8 (wheeler money). He wants 9.5 (kuch and stone). I think when you add the money that laine misses from taxes (which stone and kuch don’t being in no tax states) he gets the middle. 8 years at 8.75 let’s get it done


I've lived in a state that had higher taxes and terrific schools, parks, streets, restaurants, cultural events. Now I live in a place with low taxes and potholes.
Aug. 24, 2019 at 4:56 p.m.
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I've lived in a state that had higher taxes and terrific schools, parks, streets, restaurants, cultural events. Now I live in a place with low taxes and potholes.


WPG has high taxes and potholes lol
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Aug. 24, 2019 at 5:20 p.m.
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We are getting into these thoughts. "What a players wants". The Jets or( Leafs, name your team with a big ticket RFA) aren't going to be bidding against themselves. So Laine wants 10m and Jets are the only time that offers Laine 8.5m...what are Laine's options. KHL? Laine and these players only leverage is not signing an NHL contract. Sure looks the teams that have their RFA rights, don't have any other NHL team competition in negotiations.

So I think I'm worth 250,000 as an engineer. My employer offers just 200,000. No other firm is offering more than 175,000. So I quit my job and work driving a truck for 50,000. Yep, that will really show my employer that I am king of my destiny.


Omg I just died laughing
Thanks @palhal
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Aug. 25, 2019 at 4:30 a.m.
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If point is getting 8.5 and rantanen 8, I don’t see how laine will get much more. They are both 8. (Same source as above). Also those players have much better all round games and produce more points (most are pt/gm). Laine is not at their production. At goals he might be close but goals aren’t everything. Yes it comes at a premium which is why he is payed more than rantanen and point (less really for point cause of taxes)


thats all assuming Point gets on 8.5m
every indication points that's not the case as TBL had enough to sign him since July 1st if that was the case .
looking at what they currently have and going '' **** Point , he'll take the scraps '' isnt how you set Market Value .

Point , Tkachuk , Werenski,Laine and Marner all are prepared to play else where ebcause their teams can offer them fair dollar value this year Prompting 2/5 to explore European options short term .
Aug. 25, 2019 at 4:47 a.m.
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Your opinion is yours and if you choose to be misinformed then so be it. This league and the GMs that operate under it have used league comparables for a long time and that's not about to change overnight.

Laine's comparable is Rantanen (Rantanen does have better talent on his line btw) and what one gets..the other will get similar numbers.
I suppose Laine can sit the year too but he hurts his own bargaining power in the end.


in your opinion , which is your own but very Naive and based on nothing but pure emotion .

the Facts are as Laine keeps saying , he's 2nd to only Mathews in Scoring among players who've entered the league since 2016-17 .
of the top 5 goal scorer's that signed ahead of him scoring just 1-2 goals more 2/5 signed new deals in the last year
worth 11m +

Rantanen's been in the NHL just as long as Mathews and Laine but took 3 years to reach their goal scoring minimum's in the same time .
its not like MR just missed Mathews and Laine's goal totals either. . . its by 30+ goals aka a season's worth .(dont make excuses about him getting assists while scoring goals , Mathews did that to and signed for 11.6m long term so it would just support my argument )

Rantanen by the time he retire's will have 100+ less goals then Laine in the same time just gauging their current pace .
Laine may never learn to make plays but he'll be a dominant goal scorer for his entire career in the NHL because he's the best player on his line something Rantanen will never be.(i call it the Glen Anderson effect who played with Gretzky and Messier 75% of him career winning 6 cups on 2 teams )
Aug. 25, 2019 at 3:25 p.m.
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in your opinion , which is your own but very Naive and based on nothing but pure emotion .

the Facts are as Laine keeps saying , he's 2nd to only Mathews in Scoring among players who've entered the league since 2016-17 .
of the top 5 goal scorer's that signed ahead of him scoring just 1-2 goals more 2/5 signed new deals in the last year
worth 11m +

Rantanen's been in the NHL just as long as Mathews and Laine but took 3 years to reach their goal scoring minimum's in the same time .
its not like MR just missed Mathews and Laine's goal totals either. . . its by 30+ goals aka a season's worth .(dont make excuses about him getting assists while scoring goals , Mathews did that to and signed for 11.6m long term so it would just support my argument )

Rantanen by the time he retire's will have 100+ less goals then Laine in the same time just gauging their current pace .
Laine may never learn to make plays but he'll be a dominant goal scorer for his entire career in the NHL because he's the best player on his line something Rantanen will never be.(i call it the Glen Anderson effect who played with Gretzky and Messier 75% of him career winning 6 cups on 2 teams )


I was not basing my opinion on pure emotion. I understand when you and others bring up goals and how Laine is right behind Matthews, I actually value that. Here's the thing, I don't like comparing wingers to C because the wing position is easiest in hockey and C carries alot more than thought of.

It's why C are generally paid more in this league. That said, the few times I watched Colorado games I thought Rantanen had issues in other parts of his game much like Laine does.
I've seen more of Laine than Rantanen and so my comparison of these two is slightly rushed.
 
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