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Trade Nylander

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 26, 2019
Published: Aug. 26, 2019
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Description
Islanders improve their offense and Leafs improve their defense.

Training camp will decide who will be scratches and who will be AHLers.
Free Agent Signings
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5$11,000,000
3$2,625,000
Trades
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  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Nylander, William
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Conditionnal 2nd pick 2020 if Beauvillier scores 45+ pts OR if Dobson scores 35+ pts.
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2020
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2021
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26$81,500,000$80,929,000$0$537,500$571,000
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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Selling Nylander to overpay Marner is wrong on so many levels.
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:11 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Selling Nylander to overpay Marner is wrong on so many levels.


Microcosm of the leafs fan base if I've ever seen one
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Microcosm of the leafs fan base if I've ever seen one


And is it wrong statement from me?
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
And is it wrong statement from me?


It means I agree
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
It means I agree


Oh thats great!
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Microcosm of the leafs fan base if I've ever seen one


I don't believe you used those words correctly. I'd say close to half of Leaf fans have no appetite to trade Nylander only to overpay Marner. Makes little sense.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:17 p.m.
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This is so bad, good lord
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Selling Nylander to overpay Marner is wrong on so many levels.


Id give up Nylander for Dobson 100%

Matthews, Marner, JT, Reilly, Dobson for the next decade? absolutely.
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:22 p.m.
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Nope not trading Dobson
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I don't believe you used those words correctly. I'd say close to half of Leaf fans have no appetite to trade Nylander only to overpay Marner. Makes little sense.


No I used it correctly and meant what I said
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:31 p.m.
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Lol no way islanders do this -
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Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:45 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Selling Nylander to overpay Marner is wrong on so many levels.


Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Microcosm of the leafs fan base if I've ever seen one


Quoting: LoganOllivier
I don't believe you used those words correctly. I'd say close to half of Leaf fans have no appetite to trade Nylander only to overpay Marner. Makes little sense.


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Lol no way islanders do this -


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Nope not trading Dobson


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Id give up Nylander for Dobson 100%

Matthews, Marner, JT, Reilly, Dobson for the next decade? absolutely.


Quoting: jloose
This is so bad, good lord


I think the real question is... Is Mitch Marner really better than William Nylander?

All the advanced stats suggest he is not.

However, Marner put up 36 points in 33 games playing on a line with Kadri in 2017/18 whereas Nylander put up only 122 points in 164 games playing with the more talented Matthews!
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
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No proof that Dobson is NHL ready this October, so the improvement one the defence is questionable.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I think the real question is... Is Mitch Marner really better than William Nylander?

All the advanced stats suggest he is not.

However, Marner put up 36 points in 33 games playing on a line with Kadri in 2017/18 whereas Nylander put up only 122 points in 164 games playing with the more talented Matthews!


You got some of that bang on but out of those 36 points in 33 games, how many were PP points? Marner is terrific on the PP but hasn't been as good at 5v5 as Nylander. Nylander hasn't been given 10% of the PP chances that Marner has received either.

I'd be willing to make a decent wager that Nylander will be one of the highest 5v5 point producers in the entire NHL this season but could still end up with only 80 points because he only gets 20 some points on the PP playing with the 2nd unit.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:12 p.m.
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Is Dobson really that great? I know he put up a lot of point in the Q but everyone puts up point in the Q...I would honestly rather have Liljegren at this point in time
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:13 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
You got some of that bang on but out of those 36 points in 33 games, how many were PP points? Marner is terrific on the PP but hasn't been as good at 5v5 as Nylander. Nylander hasn't been given 10% of the PP chances that Marner has received either.

I'd be willing to make a decent wager that Nylander will be one of the highest 5v5 point producers in the entire NHL this season but could still end up with only 80 points because he only gets 20 some points on the PP playing with the 2nd unit.


14 out of the 36 points were scored on the power play. So he would’ve gotten approximately 55 points at even strength over a full season if he played with Kadri. For Nylander, 26 of his 61 points were generated on the power play. That means 35 points at even strength playing with Matthews, however with a more talented LW in Johnsson over Brown, he could probably get 60-65 EV points. Nylander is better at driving possession and has greater advanced metrics.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Barbs
Is Dobson really that great? I know he put up a lot of point in the Q but everyone puts up point in the Q...I would honestly rather have Liljegren at this point in time


Dobson was drafted higher than Liljegren, he is bigger and physical than the Swede. I’m not sure about defensive play but most believe Noah Dobson to be an Adam McQuaid type of player.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Dobson was drafted higher than Liljegren, he is bigger and physical than the Swede. I’m not sure about defensive play but most believe Noah Dobson to be an Adam McQuaid type of player.


Really? That's Dobson's ceiling? That's really nothing special.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Really? That's Dobson's ceiling? That's really nothing special.


No I was just joking because they’re both from PEI.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:20 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Dobson was drafted higher than Liljegren, he is bigger and physical than the Swede. I’m not sure about defensive play but most believe Noah Dobson to be an Adam McQuaid type of player.


isn't the defensive play the most important thing though? I'm no scout but I know Liljegren plays on the Marlies top pair in a pro league as a 20 year old and Dobson is an OFD who put up less points in his post draft year as a 19 year old in a junior league. At this stage I would have to assume Liljegren is the better prospect
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:25 p.m.
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Not a chance the islanders give up Dobson for nylander. The fans would tell you they wouldn’t even trade him for Marner
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:25 p.m.
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isn't the defensive play the most important thing though? I'm no scout but I know Liljegren plays on the Marlies top pair in a pro league as a 20 year old and Dobson is an OFD who put up less points in his post draft year as a 19 year old in a junior league. At this stage I would have to assume Liljegren is the better prospect


Still way to early to compare. It would be more reasonable to say, Liljegren is closer to making the league than Dobson but beyond that its a bit premature to say much. Dobson has a lot of talent and still needs time to develop. Liljegren also has lots of room to grow but being very good defensively playing against men does point to him being perhaps more ready for the NHL but to compare their ceilings is way too early. I also think they are different players, I question Liljegren's offensive game, not really in the sense that its a hinderance but more so if its really a big part of what will make him an NHL player. I think Liljegren is more like Muzzin than he is Rielly. He's a much better skater than Muzzin but like Muzzin he's really good positionally and defensively and I think he could be the exact partner Rielly needs. Someone sound defensively, and can skate his way out of trouble better than most. Rielly will get caught from time to time but as long as his partner has the wheels to cover him, Rielly can get back quick on account of his terrific skating. With Hainsey, that pylon couldn't ever get back in time.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
Dobson was drafted higher than Liljegren, he is bigger and physical than the Swede. I’m not sure about defensive play but most believe Noah Dobson to be an Adam McQuaid type of player.


I’ve seen most scouts say he is comparable to pietrangelo. He is an all situations work horse. Great skater, 6’3 190 and a very good 1 on 1 defender.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Barbs
isn't the defensive play the most important thing though? I'm no scout but I know Liljegren plays on the Marlies top pair in a pro league as a 20 year old and Dobson is an OFD who put up less points in his post draft year as a 19 year old in a junior league. At this stage I would have to assume Liljegren is the better prospect


It will never happen, but if dubas was offered Dobson for liljeren he wouldn’t think twice before accepting that deal. Dobson is an all situations d man similar to pietrangelo.
Aug. 26, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles777
It will never happen, but if dubas was offered Dobson for liljeren he wouldn’t think twice before accepting that deal. Dobson is an all situations d man similar to pietrangelo.


and maybe he will end up like Pietrangelo but I wouldn't put too much stock into that. Literally every draft the first round is filled with "can't miss prospects" who remind scouts of all star players. Dobson could be awesome but so could LIljegren. We're comparing 2 highly touted D, roughly the same age, who have just come off a "down season" and have taken very different paths in their development. I don't think its as clear cut as one is better than the other
 
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