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(MTL / NSH) - Weber for Subban

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Oct. 17, 2020 at 6:28 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
At the time it wasn't spare parts. Every player Buffalo got back was decent players or prospects with good potential.


Look back at the comments from when the trade happened:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/150771
Everyone knew that Berglund & Sobotka were cap dumps, and while some people had more belief in Tage Thompson than they do now, he wasn’t viewed as one of St. Louis’s top prospects.

Edit: Here’s a post from a Sabres fan the day the trade happened:
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Not completely loving this. This is hard for me because I sort of have a hockey crush on O'Reilly. I love everything about his game. He brings a lot more than just his points. Coaches dream player.

Looks like we got some spare and decining parts. A young prospect center with potential (maybe). Not impressed with his stats. (In fairness I don't know any of these players well) The sum of all this is less than O'Reilly. Blues win by a hair in the short term.

The gamble is on the bag of magic beans that are the late 1st and 2nd rounders. If either of these players pay off the Sabres win. Only time will tell.

For now it's even-ish, I think looking back in 4 years you'll see the Sabres got the better end of this.
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Nov. 9, 2020 at 10:47 a.m.
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I like Weber but I think Preds win this trade due to Webers massive contract


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Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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why r u so pissy
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it is funny how wrong eveybody was about this trade
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Apr. 12, 2021 at 1:55 p.m.
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how bad was this trade ...
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May 3, 2021 at 5:54 p.m.
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This trade, in the end, MTL won.
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May 3, 2021 at 11:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Brad21
This trade, in the end, MTL won.


This sort of seems like a trade where no one won.

Montréal got 227 games over 4 seasons of good Weber before he fell off a cliff, and now they’re stuck with 5 more years at almost $8 million of a bad player.

Nashville got 2 seasons of Subban before he started his decline. They got 2 2nds for him before his value completely tanked. One 2nd turned into Egor Afanaseyev and Alexander Campbell, and the other was stupidly traded with a 3rd and Bonino for Kunin. Now Nashville does have to be wary of Weber retiring before the end of his contract, because it would cripple them cap-wise. So the Preds salvaged some value once they realized what they had done, but still a bad trade.

I guess the trade could be worth it for the habs depending on how much of an anchor Weber’s contract is for the extra 4 years.
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May 4, 2021 at 10:53 a.m.
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This sort of seems like a trade where no one won.

Montréal got 227 games over 4 seasons of good Weber before he fell off a cliff, and now they’re stuck with 5 more years at almost $8 million of a bad player.

Nashville got 2 seasons of Subban before he started his decline. They got 2 2nds for him before his value completely tanked. One 2nd turned into Egor Afanaseyev and Alexander Campbell, and the other was stupidly traded with a 3rd and Bonino for Kunin. Now Nashville does have to be wary of Weber retiring before the end of his contract, because it would cripple them cap-wise. So the Preds salvaged some value once they realized what they had done, but still a bad trade.

I guess the trade could be worth it for the habs depending on how much of an anchor Weber’s contract is for the extra 4 years.


Do you suspect that Montreal's staff/management were privy to Subban's upcoming decline and saw 4(ish) years of Weber as enough to keep them competitive(ish) and that dealing with the back end of his deal was something they could offset with trading him retained?

I don't often like to give Bergevin more credit than he's due, but the plan (from a distance) seems to me that Juulsen and Mete were looked at to take that next step forward while the Habs accumulated picks and prospects. The former didn't happen, but the Canadiens do have the spare assets to dump Weber at 50% retained on a team just looking to enter a rebuild (San Jose?). Romanov coming out of nowhere and an increased investment on defense prospects at least leads me to believe there's something planned to clean house a bit, no?
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May 4, 2021 at 11:05 a.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Do you suspect that Montreal's staff/management were privy to Subban's upcoming decline and saw 4(ish) years of Weber as enough to keep them competitive(ish) and that dealing with the back end of his deal was something they could offset with trading him retained?

I don't often like to give Bergevin more credit than he's due, but the plan (from a distance) seems to me that Juulsen and Mete were looked at to take that next step forward while the Habs accumulated picks and prospects. The former didn't happen, but the Canadiens do have the spare assets to dump Weber at 50% retained on a team just looking to enter a rebuild (San Jose?). Romanov coming out of nowhere and an increased investment on defense prospects at least leads me to believe there's something planned to clean house a bit, no?


I definitely think this was a combination of trying to move Subban’s personality/attitude, while trying to make the team better in the short term. He certainly accomplished his goal.

I do think that the current management likes Weber more as a player than I do right now. Otherwise he wouldn’t be playing top minutes in every situation. And that’s probably mostly because of a disagreement in what constitutes good defensive play, and how effective he is on the PP.

Plus this contract would look considerably more manageable and honestly wouldn’t be that much of a problem if we weren’t staring at multiple years of a flat cap.
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May 4, 2021 at 11:17 a.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I definitely think this was a combination of trying to move Subban’s personality/attitude, while trying to make the team better in the short term. He certainly accomplished his goal.

I do think that the current management likes Weber more as a player than I do right now. Otherwise he wouldn’t be playing top minutes in every situation. And that’s probably mostly because of a disagreement in what constitutes good defensive play, and how effective he is on the PP.

Plus this contract would look considerably more manageable and honestly wouldn’t be that much of a problem if we weren’t staring at multiple years of a flat cap.


Yeah hindsight with covid is a conundrum and is definitely one of the factors more in line with tipping this towards equal. I genuinely thought that it was an even trade at the time that Nashville would win - I didn't expect Subban to drop off a cliff and Weber was already an old man - but the Habs clearly had some idea as to what they were doing. Good on them.

I agree with his usage being somewhat inappropriate. I think Caufield gives them a new look for who the designated shooter is on the powerplay and reckon Petry should probably be getting those quality minutes for his ability to dish from the point. Weber won't like it much, but he has to see the writing on the wall and that his minutes need to start getting scaled back. Coaching staff will get there too. Part of the immediate problem (in my eyes) is the lack of exceptional options on the left tbh. Nobody outside of Montreal knows what a Kulak is and Edmundson came as advertised. Romanov will get there, but these are still his first steps. Chiarot is a very quiet, quality piece, but he's only one man. Can't help but wonder how damn good Sergachev would look on this blueline right now.

I suspect that Montreal will be one of the teams that deals with the Kraken after expansion. A Drouin-for-defenceman deal perhaps? Oh the irony.
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May 4, 2021 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
This sort of seems like a trade where no one won.

Montréal got 227 games over 4 seasons of good Weber before he fell off a cliff, and now they’re stuck with 5 more years at almost $8 million of a bad player.

Nashville got 2 seasons of Subban before he started his decline. They got 2 2nds for him before his value completely tanked. One 2nd turned into Egor Afanaseyev and Alexander Campbell, and the other was stupidly traded with a 3rd and Bonino for Kunin. Now Nashville does have to be wary of Weber retiring before the end of his contract, because it would cripple them cap-wise. So the Preds salvaged some value once they realized what they had done, but still a bad trade.

I guess the trade could be worth it for the habs depending on how much of an anchor Weber’s contract is for the extra 4 years.


Ya maybe.
May 4, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
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Yeah hindsight with covid is a conundrum and is definitely one of the factors more in line with tipping this towards equal. I genuinely thought that it was an even trade at the time that Nashville would win - I didn't expect Subban to drop off a cliff and Weber was already an old man - but the Habs clearly had some idea as to what they were doing. Good on them.

I agree with his usage being somewhat inappropriate. I think Caufield gives them a new look for who the designated shooter is on the powerplay and reckon Petry should probably be getting those quality minutes for his ability to dish from the point. Weber won't like it much, but he has to see the writing on the wall and that his minutes need to start getting scaled back. Coaching staff will get there too. Part of the immediate problem (in my eyes) is the lack of exceptional options on the left tbh. Nobody outside of Montreal knows what a Kulak is and Edmundson came as advertised. Romanov will get there, but these are still his first steps. Chiarot is a very quiet, quality piece, but he's only one man. Can't help but wonder how damn good Sergachev would look on this blueline right now.

I suspect that Montreal will be one of the teams that deals with the Kraken after expansion. A Drouin-for-defenceman deal perhaps? Oh the irony.


I doubt the habs will go for a defenseman unless they’re really cheap and cost a fair price. They have to deal with their own players first with all the contracts up. Drouin isn’t going anywhere, and any improvement on the habs’ blueline will likely come in the form of improvement from Romanov.
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Jun. 18, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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K now I think that this is a trade that both teams ended up losing.
Jun. 18, 2021 at 8:04 p.m.
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imagine telling a new hockey fan, or even just a younger one, about how huge this trade was back in our day. LMAO
 
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