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Palat Colorado

Created by: matulix
Initial Creation Date: Aug 27, 2019
Published: Aug 27 at 7:07 am
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
Does he waive for Colorado?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Point, Brayden3$7,500,000
Trades
TBL
  1. Beaucage, Alex [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Palat, Ondrej
Buyouts
  • Matthew Carle: $1,833,333
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
Buried
  • Mike Condon: $1,325,000 ($2,400,000)
  • Louis Domingue: $75,000 ($1,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
COL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,087,498$0$1,362,500$5,412,502

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
LW, C, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Point, Brayden
$7,500,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
$864,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Killorn, Alex
$4,450,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$728,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
$700,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$697,500
RD
RFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
$1,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TBL
Martel, Danick
$700,000
LW
RFA - 1
TBL
Schenn, Luke
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Stamkos, S.
Point, B.
Cirelli, A.
Hedman, V.
Kucherov, N.
Power Play 2
Johnson, T.
Gourde, Y.
Joseph, M.
Shattenkirk, K.
Sergachev, M.
Penalty Kill 1
Cirelli, A.
Killorn, A.
McDonagh, R.
Cernak, E.
Penalty Kill 2
Paquette, C.
Gourde, Y.
Hedman, V.
Sergachev, M.

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Aug 27 at 7:08
#1
bhavikp27
Joined: Jun 2016
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Bit low for Point

Johnson and Stamkos on wings? Gourde at C...
Aug 27 at 7:10
#2
Thread Starter
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Johnson and Stamkos on wings? Gourde at C...


Whats so weird about it?
Aug 27 at 7:12
#3
bhavikp27
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,197
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Quoting: matulix
Whats so weird about it?


It's unlikely
Aug 27 at 7:13
#4
Thread Starter
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Quoting: bhavikp27
It's unlikely


No it's not.
Aug 27 at 7:35
#5
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
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Edited Aug 27 at 9:50
Stamkos at LW makes alot of sense .. depends on Cirelli development. GOURDE is PK and 4th line grinder .. Johnson may get look as 3C .. he really doesnt have a home after failing mightily in top 6
Aug 27 at 7:38
#6
Joined: Jul 2018
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Bit low for Point

Johnson and Stamkos on wings? Gourde at C...


Seems like a legit offer to me based on the market in the past. Only one who comes close to this situation is Staal during the final year of his ELC. He eventually got a 3 year bridge at 10.23% of the salary cap at the time, which would be about 8.3m today. Since everyone likes to cite the no tax state for giving a touch less than market value, 7.5 is good,

But with Marner in a similar situation, I think Point and co. are trying to wait for the market to rise in his favour.
Aug 27 at 8:20
#7
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 926
Likes: 366
Quoting: matulix
No it's not.


It kinda is. Swap TyJo and Gourde and it's fine
Aug 27 at 8:30
#8
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2018
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Quoting: Zwui21
It kinda is. Swap TyJo and Gourde and it's fine


Johnson as 3rd center would be even worse than he is right now imo.
Aug 27 at 8:33
#9
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 926
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Quoting: matulix
Johnson as 3rd center would be even worse than he is right now imo.


Maybe having him back at his original position would help, and playing bottom 6 minutes would mean for him to face easier competition. On the left wing of Point and Kuch he looks like a freeloader that does nothing beside benefit from the work of the other two. I definitely appreciated Gourde more on that line last season, his tough and gritty game on the boards is more complementary to Kuch and Point
Aug 27 at 8:45
#10
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Zwui21
Maybe having him back at his original position would help, and playing bottom 6 minutes would mean for him to face easier competition. On the left wing of Point and Kuch he looks like a freeloader that does nothing beside benefit from the work of the other two. I definitely appreciated Gourde more on that line last season, his tough and gritty game on the boards is more complementary to Kuch and Point


I know that and I agree. I'm just worried that we would bury him mentally if we demote him to bottom 6.
Aug 27 at 8:53
#11
Joined: May 2019
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Quoting: matulix
I know that and I agree. I'm just worried that we would bury him mentally if we demote him to bottom 6.


If that's the issue, let's put him there ASAP so maybe he'll accept to waive his NTC next summer in order to go play on a team that gives him the 2C spot lol
Aug 27 at 9:07
#12
gregb569
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 680
Likes: 182
Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Stamkos at LW makes alot of sense .. depends on Cirelli development. GOURDE is PK and 4th line grinder .. Johnson may get look as 3C .. he really doenst havs a home after failing mightily in top 6


Gourde on 4th line..?
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Aug 27 at 9:10
#13
Joined: Jun 2015
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Stamkos at LW makes alot of sense .. depends on Cirelli development. GOURDE is PK and 4th line grinder .. Johnson may get look as 3C .. he really doenst havs a home after failing mightily in top 6


Wait are we saying TJ failed in the top 6? 50 point seasons are no longer acceptable? WTF
Aug 27 at 9:15
#14
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Wait are we saying TJ failed in the top 6? 50 point seasons are no longer acceptable? WTF


Let's be honest, if we'd have played Gourde with Point and Kuch all year he'd have at least gotten 60-65.

I wish Johnson could get back the mojo of his 72 points season, we'd literally be unstoppable
Aug 27 at 9:17
#15
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Quoting: Zwui21
Let's be honest, if we'd have played Gourde with Point and Kuch all year he'd have at least gotten 60-65.

I wish Johnson could get back the mojo of his 72 points season, we'd literally be unstoppable


Gourde hypothetically doing better doesn't mean Johnson failed. 50 points is very good for a complementary top 6 player.
Aug 27 at 9:18
#16
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Quoting: feds91stammer
Gourde hypothetically doing better doesn't mean Johnson failed. 50 points is very good for a complementary top 6 player.


Not when you are playing with one of the best duo in the game IMO
Aug 27 at 9:19
#17
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Quoting: Zwui21
Not when you are playing with one of the best duo in the game IMO


well that's wrong but okay
Aug 27 at 9:20
#18
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Quoting: feds91stammer
well that's wrong but okay


It's okay to disagree smile
Aug 27 at 9:30
#19
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The offer to the Avs is pretty fair. Question marks on Palat's drop in numbers versus Beaucage's potential. Don't think the Avs would do it though. Not in the habit of trading good prospects.
Aug 27 at 9:53
#20
BOLT LOVER
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My neighborhood paperboy can have 40 pts playing with Point and Kuch .. need better player with those 2 and move Johnson and Gourde to back 6 forwards .. I would think Palat Joseph and even a Cruncher will get 1st line reps over first half of season
Aug 27 at 11:33
#21
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would be a good pick up and sure he could waive with Kaut and Francouz, other Czech players on the team.
But just cant see a deal with those sort of pieces unless Avs make another trade.....too many fowards on the roster already and no one is waiver exempt. Nieto, Kamanev at the very least would have to be in a deal to make room for a fwd like Palat

Just too crowded roster wise to straight up add another Top 9 forward
Aug 27 at 10:21
#22
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Quoting: Zwui21
Not when you are playing with one of the best duo in the game IMO


Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
My neighborhood paperboy can have 40 pts playing with Point and Kuch .. need better player with those 2 and move Johnson and Gourde to back 6 forwards .. I would think Palat Joseph and even a Cruncher will get 1st line reps over first half of season


Point and Kucherov might be really good, but plug in a player who doesn’t fit and you’ve messed up the entire line. Johnson is expendable and replaceable unless he suddenly becomes the Johnson from 2015, but it’s not fair to discredit him because of his line mates. To play on a line like that, you need to be decent defensively, extremely fast, always in the right position, have a high hockey IQ, and be offensively talented enough to score when they’ve created an opportunity for you. There is more than one hockey player who can do that, but it’s not like you can take just anyone who can put on skates. The fact is, he complimented his line mates and managed to produce. That’s what makes a good season for a supporting piece. He’s not an irreplaceable superstar, but he’s not expected to be.
 
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