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Pietrangelo and Schenn resigned

Created by: BCAPP
Initial Creation Date: Aug 27, 2019
Published: Aug 27 at 7:51 pm
Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Team Explanation
A blues fan did this but I think his numbers were off. Not even sure it's a good idea just curious what it looks like
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Barbashev, Ivan2$2,250,000
Dunn, Vince5$4,250,000
Fabbri, Robby2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Pietrangelo, Alex7$8,150,000
Schenn, Brayden7$7,750,000
Gardiner, Jake5$5,250,000
Campbell, Jack2$2,000,000
Trades
STL
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2020 5th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Bozak, Tyler
STL
  1. 2020 7th round pick (TOR)
CAR
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
STL
STL
EDM
STL
STL
EDM
TOR
2021
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2022
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$84,000,000$80,532,499$0$637,500$3,467,501
Left WingCenterRight Wing
STL
Schwartz, Jaden
$5,350,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 3
STL
Tarasenko, Vladimir
$7,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
STL
Perron, David
$4,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Schenn, Brayden
$7,750,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 8
STL
Kostin, Klim
$863,333
RW
RFA - 2
STL
Sanford, Zachary
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 1
STL
Thomas, Robert
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
STL
Sundqvist, Oskar
$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
STL
Fabbri, Robby
$1,750,000
LW, C
RFA
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 1
STL
Steen, Alexander
$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Gardiner, Jake
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
STL
Binnington, Jordan
$4,400,000
G
UFA - 1
STL
Dunn, Vince
$4,250,000
LD
RFA
STL
Pietrangelo, Alex
$8,150,000
RD
UFA
Campbell, Jack
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Gunnarsson, Carl
$1,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Bortuzzo, Robert
$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Aug 27 at 9:13
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Pietrangelo will get at least 9,5 on the market. He is one of the best in nhl.
Aug 27 at 9:15
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Quoting: Sebybbq
Pietrangelo will get at least 9,5 on the market. He is one of the best in nhl.


He is quite good. But is he better than OEL or Carlsson?
Aug 27 at 9:26
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Quoting: BCAPP
He is quite good. But is he better than OEL or Carlsson?


Yes and defensively yes, definitely
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Aug 27 at 9:32
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Quoting: Sebybbq
Pietrangelo will get at least 9,5 on the market. He is one of the best in nhl.


Quoting: Turner33
Yes and defensively yes, definitely


I just simply don't agree.

Check out his hockey reference page

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pietral01.html

The highest he has ever been in Norris voting was 4th 8 years ago

Over the last 5 years he wasn't even voted for twice (last year being one of the years), and was 9th, 16th and 22nd the other three years.

He is a very good defenseman but he is probably about 15th-20thish best defenseman. He isn't a perennial Norris favourite.
Aug 27 at 9:35
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Quoting: Turner33
Yes and defensively yes, definitely


To compare to Pietrangelo, Carlsson was 4th in Norris voting last year, 5th the year before, not voted the two years before that and 10th the year before that.

Ekman Larsson was 11th, not voted twice, and 9th and 17th. He's probably closer
Aug 27 at 9:39
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Quoting: BCAPP
I just simply don't agree.

Check out his hockey reference page

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pietral01.html

The highest he has ever been in Norris voting was 4th 8 years ago

Over the last 5 years he wasn't even voted for twice (last year being one of the years), and was 9th, 16th and 22nd the other three years.

He is a very good defenseman but he is probably about 15th-20thish best defenseman. He isn't a perennial Norris favourite.


He puts up 50-60pts and plays really good D (last yr was a down yr for him all around, until the playoffs). I don't really care about a popularity contest. Any "defensive" trophy Brent Burns wins means nothing.

OEL n Carlson are great. Not taking anything away from them.
Aug 27 at 9:43
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Quoting: Turner33
He puts up 50-60pts and plays really good D (last yr was a down yr for him all around, until the playoffs). I don't really care about a popularity contest. Any "defensive" trophy Brent Burns wins means nothing.

OEL n Carlson are great. Not taking anything away from them.


So forget the votes. I'm just saying realistically he is not a top 10 d men. He's certainly in that next tier, and is absolutely excellent, franchise d, all that. I just think he's a tier below the truly top end guys.
Aug 27 at 9:44
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Quoting: BCAPP
He is quite good. But is he better than OEL or Carlsson?


Pietrangelo remind me off doughty he don’t care how much point he put on Board he does what the team need. He was amazing in playoff he could easily won the conn smyth if ryan o’reilly doesn’t had super performance in finals
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Aug 27 at 9:49
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Pietrangelo remind me off doughty he don’t care how much point he put on Board he does what the team need. He was amazing in playoff he could easily won the conn smyth if ryan o’reilly doesn’t had super performance in finals


Yeah he is really damn good. In the end I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I just personally think he's very good but a tier below the top in the league. Thanks for the chat
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Aug 27 at 9:50
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Quoting: BCAPP
So forget the votes. I'm just saying realistically he is not a top 10 d men. He's certainly in that next tier, and is absolutely excellent, franchise d, all that. I just think he's a tier below the truly top end guys.


I take Petro over OEL. Petro 2way #1D/OEL offensive #1D. Im a goalie who likes defense, go figure
Carls n Petro are very close. Both 2way D, but Car is more O and Petro is more D. But it also has to do w the team's they play for
Aug 27 at 9:58
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Quoting: Turner33
I take Petro over OEL. Petro 2way #1D/OEL offensive #1D. Im a goalie who likes defensive, go figure
Carls n Petro are very close. Both 2way D, but Car is more O and Petro is more D. But it also has to do w the team's they play for


Yeah because even strength both have similar number! Carlson add 33 point on a nasty washington powerplay. St-louis split time between dman on powerplay. Are you familiar with mlb w.a.r ? There something similar in hockey defensive point share and offensive point share if you have the chance to read on it, you might fund this interesting
Aug 27 at 9:58
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Quoting: Turner33
I take Petro over OEL. Petro 2way #1D/OEL offensive #1D. Im a goalie who likes defense, go figure
Carls n Petro are very close. Both 2way D, but Car is more O and Petro is more D. But it also has to do w the team's they play for


Again as I said to Sebybbq. At this point we've said our pieces and I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Either way he is great. That's for sure.

Thanks for the chat
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Aug 27 at 10:02
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Quoting: BCAPP
Again as I said to Sebybbq. At this point we've said our pieces and I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Either way he is great. That's for sure.

Thanks for the chat


Carlson scores 70 points last year and he’s extremely underrated defensively. Both guys are great at and should get similar contracts. Tbh tho Carlson is the more attractive player. 70 point dman are rare. Dude is easily a top 10 dman arguably top 3 rhd
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Aug 27 at 10:13
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Carlson scores 70 points last year and he’s extremely underrated defensively. Both guys are great at and should get similar contracts. Tbh tho Carlson is the more attractive player. 70 point dman are rare. Dude is easily a top 10 dman arguably top 3 rhd


Big difference imho between Carlson and Pietro is their career trajectories.

Pietro joined the league and like his 2nd or 3rd year at like 22 was 4th in Norris voting. Looked like a stud. Then regressed a tad and has been more or less consistent as that second tier of defenseman (behind the doughtys and hedmans of today's or the doughtys and Weber's and charas of 5 years ago). Carlson the other hand came into the league and established himself as a top 4 dman and then slowly as a top pairing dman. But he didn't become a stud until about 25 or 26.

So I think a lot of people fail to realize those steps he's taken in the last 3 years or so
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Aug 27 at 10:25
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If I had to choose between Pietrangelo, Carlson, and OEL, I'd definitely take Pietrangelo.
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Aug 28 at 10:40
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Both Petro and Schenn will probably get more on the open market. I think the Blues lock Petro up for 9 mil. Depending on how the season is going I think they move Schenn or let him walk after the season. Kevin Hayes just got over 7 mil and Skinner getting 9 so Schenn is looking at those contract and wanting at least 8. Which IMO he is not worth and I would like to see him moved at the deadline unless we look primed for another run.

As for the OEL Carlson Petro debate, Carlson is the overall best out of the 3. Petro is the best defensively. With cap rising each year Petro is looking at a deal similar to Carlsons so 9 mil is the number I am guessing.
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